THE FUTURE OF EUROBEAT, YOUR OPINIONS..

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Post by nullsoon » 30 Apr 2010, 06:12

Sjoerd, if you're gonna be all troll, please try to be consistent, or at least give it a thought before coming all judgemental and superior over someone else's ideas

You're defending Avex, then do it right and agree this idea.
Personally I do not care if Avex gets more or less money while they're providing a good product.
18 songs CDs mean MORE SONGS are released, the labels get MORE MONEY a month.
It's good also from the fans perspective because we get MORE SONGS to listen to monthly, and free will to decide which songs we think we want to have our extra penny. (or our only penny, if we're only buying the extendeds online)

Imo, Radio Edits aren't bad at all, and if you're really a nazi, now it's not hard to get the extended version for a fairly decent price.

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Post by Jay » 30 Apr 2010, 06:20

You've missed an important point that DarkSky was trying to make, nullsoon.

What DarkSky's trying to say is that no matter what format SEB adopts (fourteen extendeds or eighteen radio edits), people will still complain. If you recall, back when we had eighteen radio edits on SEB, people moaned because radio edits apparently 'ruin' and take away integral elements from a song (this idea all started when people heard the vast difference between the extended and radio edit versions of 'Mad Desire' by Stephy Martini). Most, if not all, of EB-Prime thought the move from radio edits to extended versions was a great idea... now just about everybody wants to go back to radio edits again.

Also, this isn't a matter of labels making more money from having eighteen instead of fourteen songs on an SEB album. First of all, you can't know that for sure, and, second, listeners don't give a shit how much money a label is making. In the end, listeners only care about what they want to hear, and in the case of EB-Prime it seems everybody wants an SEB revolution every other month.

I find the whole radio edit vs. extended debate pointless since people will still complain no matter what format SEB adopts. It's a vicious cycle, and I must agree with DarkSky that it's annoying when people can't make up their minds. The only time I think there should be cause for concern is if every SEB becomes a non-stop compilation, then there's reason for angst (and who knows, it might happen one day). But for now, just be happy that you've got whole songs to enjoy listening to.
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Post by nullsoon » 30 Apr 2010, 06:50

Yes, that's absolutely true and I surely didn't miss it.

The main difference between now and what used to happen with the previous wave of Radio Edit SEBs is that now we have the option to acquire the songs online. If Avex put 18 Radio Edits on SEBs and sold the Extendeds for the same 18 songs we fans would have nothing to complain about (at least in extendability terms :P we always have something to nag about, don't we)

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Post by drnrg » 01 May 2010, 03:45

I think if it was up to us, Eveybody would have the SEB cd made to thier own liking. Like you say, there's no pleasing everybody. Maybe we should start a thread called "If a member could format the Super Eurobeat cd" I bet we would be surprised from the different opionions.

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Post by Vadim » 01 May 2010, 04:10

Maybe a format that gives more to those that actually produce EB - to the teams..!..Keep in mind it's not Avex that creates our eurobeat...

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Post by UFOPOLI » 04 May 2010, 11:33

DarkSky wrote:Music is more important than a silly dance.
Good luck for doing business with that attitude >_>
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Post by DarkSky » 04 May 2010, 13:39

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Post by UFOPOLI » 05 May 2010, 10:42

DarkSky wrote:
UFOPOLI wrote:
DarkSky wrote:Music is more important than a silly dance.
Good luck for doing business with that attitude >_>
Ufopoli, I'm free to say what I think.
Me too, I suppose?
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Post by thejti » 08 May 2010, 20:51

Alrighty guys... I know he worded his response rather wrong but there's too much anger going around for no real reason. The situation has passed. I'm sure he did not intend to offend anyone. Everyone here knows parapara and eurobeat are tied together. He just happens to not be a fan of it. Nor am I. I'm sure most people outside of our community would think it's a "gay dance" simply because it's considered eccentric. I got his original intention of his statement, but like I said, he just worded it wrong.

As for the future of eurobeat, I see a lot of experimentation almost to the level of the 150s to spark interest in the genre. Let's see how it goes.
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Post by wolftickets1969 » 20 May 2010, 18:32

Eurobeat has no future. It's had its day in the sun, and will never rise again. RIP Eurobeat 1990-2010. It's been a good 20 years knowing you. In fact, I've nuked my Eurobeat library; I'm done with the genre.

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Post by Bore » 20 May 2010, 20:19

Got to say, that's one way of putting it. Yet I'd go forward and say that you never really enjoyed the genre to begin with, if you're just gonna ditch it like that. It's not like you will accomplish anything with that. But well, have a good life with the crap mainstream stuff :P

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Post by drnrg » 20 May 2010, 21:02

wolftickets1969
Eurobeat has no future. It's had its day in the sun, and will never rise again. RIP Eurobeat 1990-2010. It's been a good 20 years knowing you. In fact, I've nuked my Eurobeat library; I'm done with the genre.
Is that cuz of the Dave Rodgers news? I thought you would be more devasted if HRG Attack closed its doors?

Like I said, this is giving the other labels a chance to really see what they are made off.

I always thought DELTA would easily take a spot of one of the "Big Two" if TIME or ABEATC were to close it's doors, but the less I notice Newfield in the productions, the less I see that likely of happening?

I would really love to see HRG Attack take that spot, not because they are my favs next to TIME/Eurogrooves, but because I remeber the amazing tracks they wrote for TIME back in the mid 90s. You know the ones? Casino, Hot Girl, Sugar Babe. Baila Pistolero....and plus they been around even before DELTA.

Now as far as production names go; who can deny Allesandro Oliva(he's been around since early Italo), but his prods need more umph IMOP


BTW, Wolftickets if You wanna sell off your collection online or something, you know where to find me Especially vinyls. I think it's a waste to "Nuke em" as you politely put it.

Good luck in shit mainstream, where every song sounds the same and the artists are all clones of one another. :P

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Post by aXu » 20 May 2010, 21:12

Good luck in shit mainstream, where every song sounds the same and the artists are all clones of one another.
Dude, you just described eurobeat! ;)

Anyway, eurobeat has had it's hayday, it's not coming back.. ever. For me, i'll always cherish those golden albums from the good old days.

With Captain-Dave gone, who's gonna steer the boat.. okay, he's not been control of the ship in ages and maybe he's lost the touch, but still..

After hearing those samples from SEB 204 i was so disappointed, they sounded horrible.. Modern day eurobeat don't have any hooks or awesomeness in them, they all sound so generic and plain.

I think i'm pretty much done with eurobeat too, at least for now. It's been fun and i'll always have those classic SEB's to listen :).
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Post by drnrg » 20 May 2010, 22:27

aXu
After hearing those samples from SEB 204 i was so disappointed, they sounded horrible.. Modern day eurobeat don't have any hooks or awesomeness in them, they all sound so generic and plain.
That's because SEB is slowly morphing into Eurobeat Flash. Even the J-Pop bonus riminds me of that series. I remeber having a bit of trouble accepting the different sounding songs on that series as opposed to SEB, when It first came out, but after a few cds ,I really fell in love with the different sounds Vibration, HRG, Boom Boom Boom and SCP had to offer. I remeber Time, DELTA and ABeatC were minoraties on that series.

Anyway, I was thinking about this for a while and it's finally hit me. SEB is Eurobeat Flash reborn. 8)

I respect your decision axu, but as far long AVEx keeps the series on(old songs or not) I'm gonna be right there anticipating the next cd.

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Post by Vadim » 20 May 2010, 22:38

It often makes me wonder about ppl always leaving one thing for another, ...why not have both...?..

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