THE FUTURE OF EUROBEAT, YOUR OPINIONS..

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Post by drnrg » 28 Apr 2010, 08:44

I honestly can't say that I got into Eurobeat, I was already into Italo/Hi NRG in the mid 80s which gradually changed intoo the fast Eurobeat style of Today. You could say vinyl is what got me into music generally. I love playing my TIME records and hear how through the years the melodies and keyboard progressions have speeded up to the 155-58 bpms of today

As for all the talk about drop sales of Eurobeat. I got news for you. It isn't only Eurobeat. It's music in general. That is why hardly any new music is released nowadys. You got the same old Lady Gaga goo from last year and the same old played out hip hop with your occasional Nickelback/Daughtry track in the top 20 to balance things out. It's completely pitifull what's happened to the music industry.

Here is were I thank GOD that Eurobeat is still going strong. Weather it be parapara dance, cartoons, video games. I wouldn't even care if some new Diaper wearing, mowhawk sporting trend of dancers started listening to Eurobeat as long as they keep producing it.

I'm still against too much experimentation in Eurobeat. It was cool in the mid 90's cause almost all the songs sounded aggressive. Esp. TIME's songs, which coincidentally more than half were coproduced by Live music Team. You can add these effects in the intro, but I don't really care for the song when it carries a trance or house vibe from start to end. To me that veers too far from Traditional Eurobeat. I do however love the slower Bpms that are making an appearance here and there and the occasionnal Disco beat song that pos up here and there. I think the labels feel the same and that is precisely the reason they use other aliases to pruduce Trance, Techno and whatever style of songs that are not Eurobeat.



Jay
At the end of the day, nobody wants to listen to the same rehashed song, do they?
I think this depends on how strong the original was? I'll even state a few exapmles of good rehashing.
My argument for the rehash effect stems from the fact that as long as a song doesn't completely sound like the other one, it's basiacally o.k. Take Franz Tornado's Suck A Bazooka and the , Suk El Kazoo. They are very similiar, infact almost identical in the chorus, but at the same TIME sound different once you hear the whole piece. The riffs are completely different and the intros, esp. Suk El Kazoo try different ideas by adding the Kazoo effects. We can praise the Euromach days all day and say that HRG's hey day is in the past, but the truth is as great as the Euromach era was, you have to admit that nowadays HRG is using a lot more instrumental soundworlds than say, the CHIME BELL era.
Another producer that can use his rehash effect quite stunningly is Dall Ora. this is most evident in Hey Boy and Playboy, yet there is enuff diversity to keep the listener interested to spot the differences. AbeatC someTIMES rehashes too much of the initial song and sound too identical. There was a TIME when MIlan Milan MIlan was the backbone of every Dave & Mega NRG Man song, but likewise thay are getting alot better than previous years.

As for the argument about AVEX being Eurobeat's demise or salvation;
I think I'll use the labels in these topic of how to better Eurobeat's future, cuz ultimately it's up to the labels and not AVEX to keep producing the music, so they should give em alot more freedom than they are now. The problem I see with AVEX is that they think they know what's best, but the reality is that the lables were allready making the music long before AVEX was even contemplating picking up and marketing the style of music. AVEX didn't make Eurobeat, but they can sure break it.

...and I still don't get what's up with Darksky all of the sudden rooting for AVEX? is Dima ProAvex or something? I admire Newfield ,because he sticks it to AVEX every chance he gets and he is still around. Same with Dall Ora.


to sum it up I think DJ Mike TJG said it best below-
Can I make one point:

You should be happy that so many people in this forum post so many opinions about Eurobeat. Clearly a lot of people are passionate about it and that means that they're still listening. There'll be songs people like and songs they don't like, but that's fine because you really shouldn't expect everyone to like everything.

If we ever reach the day a new SEB is released, and no one says even one word about it, THEN you know that something is REALLY wrong. It's that sort of reaction you should genuinely be worried about. Because then Eurobeat will have truly lost its audience.
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Post by DarkSky » 28 Apr 2010, 16:00

ProAvex :S, I'm just saying that I don't think their ideas are bad.. and people should respect that they won't reveal their marketing strategies. I think there's enough freedom for the labels to experiment, and Avex seems to like the experiments because thus far all our Dima Music experimental songs got accepted without any changes that had be made! Experimenting is good, it's a way to attract new people to the genre... this is what I say all the time.

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Post by drnrg » 28 Apr 2010, 23:07

DarkSky
ProAvex :S, I'm just saying that I don't think their ideas are bad.. and people should respect that they won't reveal their marketing strategies.
Strageties? They are just pissing in the dark. Thier so called strageties seem to change from volume to volume. Next thing you know they will decide to add a 3rd cd with the complete first season of Sailor Moon/Ninja Tutrles series or decide to add 2 Lady Gaga remixes as the 12 and 14th trax. Strageties are thought out plans with lasting effects. At least they kept the extended format and dropped the remix, but I'm not too thrilled about the Jpop and the rock remix will probobly only be effctive 30% of the TIME.

here is my stragety. Drop all the crap and replace those Jpop and rock remix with some of those unreleased TIME, SEB, or AbeatC material. That will sure get some Die hard fans hyped even more. I mean they won't let the labels independently release them, so why not do something with em instead of having them collect dust. 8)

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Post by Javy » 29 Apr 2010, 01:40

I would love Lady Gaga SEB remixes. Better than does crap rock tracks.
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Post by drnrg » 29 Apr 2010, 03:30

Javy
I would love Lady Gaga SEB remixes. Better than does crap rock tracks.
something about your avatar tells me you would :P ,but I'm serious some unreleased SCP, TIME or AbeatC songs would sure fill that ever changing gap with those two last spots on the cd..

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Post by ryosuke63 » 29 Apr 2010, 05:07

Some of you might like to know that Funimation has got the rights to Initial D and will be releasing the series with an English dub AND the original eurobeat soundtrack, so for new fans... we'll see!
I very much agree with Mr. Paganini's views. Thanks for being concerned enough with the genre to spark up one of (in my opinion) the most productive discussions we've had here in a while!
Now that I'm realizing that producers are checking this site (just not neccesarily posting), I'll be sure to voice my opinion more.
Though I'm concerned about just how important our voices are, since most eurobeat is marketed through Avex - for JAPAN. As many of us here aren't Japanese, what we have to say might be irrelevant, assuming nothing other than the Japanese market matters? (I hope I'm wrong, of course!)
But for sure we should voice our minds on songs, including ones we don't like, as long as we can have a good attitude about it. Without proper communication, constructive criticism loses the constructive aspect, after all.

As far as my feelings about the new style of eurobeat...
Overall I love it and am very optimistic about it. It's such an improvement over last year's tracks, it's amazing.
One thing I'm noticing is how labels that used to get ignored by me are suddenly getting better.
Take SCP for instance. I've always loved Ace and Fastway, but nothing else caught my eye until SEB 201 with Irene singing as Yo Shine!
And I finally think I have a structured opinion about Dima Music. I think the production quality is very high and Dima is quite the talented producer. I loved the new Dream Fighters track, particularly the synth lead! One of the most important things in a label for me, is their instruments. Ever since I got into eurobeat, I've been obsessed with that raw-style synth sound (it is easily found in most songs from the mid/late 90s).
Other labels such as A-Beat C, Delta and Time have lost a sizable amount of luster for me, but I'm sure they'll pick up soon. That's not to say they haven't made great new songs of course. ABC's had the new SEB song by Dave and Futura, Delta's had Star Heart by Vicky Vale which I hate to see become an underrated diamond in the rough, and Time has had the best thing to happen to them in a long time - Phil.
Which reminds me, I can agree with experimenting with other styles in eurobeat. I think the fusion with disco works VERY well (hence my interest in Phil) and no Fastway fan can deny rock works well often.
All I have yet to see is the greatest fusion of all - eurobeat with ITALO! Aleph needs a comeback, and I won't stop blabbing until they do!

And Paganini, I very much agree with your first post about vinyl and CD.
I would love to see the labels produce singles on 12" again like the old days (who doesn't miss the good old SIAE stamp?!). Sadly, eurobeat today isn't in a good position to release vinyl like some italo labels like I'Venti are, but maybe someday in the future!
I'll stab myself the day we switch 100% from physical to digital.
Physical copies have so much over digital copies, it's not even funny. The only reason I'm not some fulltime pirate is because I love the CDs and vinyls, so I buy them. Why would I buy an mp3 when I could pirate it for free? Because I could buy a CD. Don't ever take that away from us!

Which brings me to one other topic - piracy.
My feelings on it can be summed up here.
I truly understand the apprehensions people have against it, but while I can only speak for myself, please hear me out.
Piracy for me is like this. The way I see it, I want to buy every bit of eurobeat in existance, but I'm not some rich person, so I download everything with the knowledge that I AM going to buy it eventually.
Downloading, and even burning albums has never EVER made me want to go out and buy the real thing one bit less. I'm gonna be honest - it pumps me up to buy it MORE.
I believe most "pirates" are like me and share those views, so personally, I think piracy hasn't affected eurobeat financially one penny, and people who say otherwise are looking for an excuse.

Anyway the only other related thing I can bring up is possible hooks for the international market.
I think some American DJs ought to sneak in some new eurobeat tracks in their sets sometime. We're at an interesting point in time where eurobeat actually doesn't sound too different from the current synth-pop that people would run from the dance floor. I think lots of SCP productions could hit off well here.

Thanks again for starting this topic, and as always, Viva Eurobeat!
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Post by Vadim » 29 Apr 2010, 06:18

Indeed, remove the crap-remixes and refurbished trax from SEBs..
and keep the real stuff..

Another smart change is going back to 18 all new tracks in radio edits per SEB, which would give us 6 more new tunes per SEB to munch over.

It's apparent that current limit-to-only-12 -new is the economical
form of SEB with much cut-down on teams production output.

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Post by nullsoon » 29 Apr 2010, 06:21

Bring back the 18 songs SEBs, and sell the extendeds online. Double money for avex yay.

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Post by DarkSky » 29 Apr 2010, 06:32

drnrg wrote:Strageties? They are just pissing in the dark. Thier so called strageties seem to change from volume to volume.
Ah come on, this is why I'm telling you all the time, you know nothing about the marketing strategy so stop talking about this. Avex is a professional and big company, big changes will take more time than you might imangine. Stop bitching about this, if you haven't read the complete marketing strategy don't judge about it.
Vadim wrote:Indeed, remove the crap-remixes and refurbished trax from SEBs..
and keep the real stuff.
No adding these 2 ''extra's'' is a way to bring new fans to the genre.
Nullsoon wrote:Bring back the 18 songs SEBs, and sell the extendeds online. Double money for avex yay.
Not a good idea, double money for Avex, we pay double and then you all will start bitching about the prices again!

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Post by drnrg » 29 Apr 2010, 08:10

DarkSky
Stop bitching about this, if you haven't read the complete marketing strategy don't judge about it.
You havn't read it either, or have you?

Darksky
No adding these 2 ''extra's'' is a way to bring new fans to the genre.
You honestly think if you stick in 2 Eurobeat songs on a techno cd, that those hardcore Techno fans are gonna start liking Eurobeat out of the blue or vice a versa?



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Which reminds me, I can agree with experimenting with other styles in eurobeat. I think the fusion with disco works VERY well (hence my interest in Phil) and no Fastway fan can deny rock works well often.
Can't really concider that experimenting, Disco beats and Guitars in the riffs have been a part of Eurobeat since it's Italo disco days.

I don't even really mind that some labels experiment that much. I just want the labels that I really love, TIME/Eurogrooves, DELTA and HRG Attack to stay true to the traditional Eurobeat sound..and I don't really concider what Dima is doing experimenting. I still hear solid Eurobeat in his songs. A little more Aishu than usual, but that's mighty fine with me.

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Post by thejti » 29 Apr 2010, 10:36

The first thing Avex needs to do is basically plow through the HUGE buildup of songs they have. While I do love how the two SCP songs sound like, it's the old sound of SCP rather than the new style. Both of those songs (Momo & The Snake) are songs made in 2008. The Yo Shine song from 201 was made in January of 2010. Stefano and Christian have been working on a new dance style and working hard on new projects that have yet to see the light of day. Apparently the A-Beat C songs released now are from 2008 to early 2009 if even that late. For me, in order to get to the future of Eurobeat, you have to get out of the past.
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Post by UFOPOLI » 29 Apr 2010, 11:43

Among the people I know in my country who listen to eurobeat, only a few don't dance parapara, while ~95% do. Without the connection, I doubt many of them would. The parapara community is constantly growing (as seems to be the tendency pretty much everywhere else than Japan and USA) and what kind of products are they most interested in buying? Parapara dvds of course! Burning your bridges in this (or any) direction would hardly help you (or anybody else for that matter).

I second the suggestion that games would be a very potential channel. People need a context - let's give it to them.
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Post by SuperEuroJimmy » 29 Apr 2010, 18:16

Why do you guys keep nagging about the format of Super Eurobeat cds. There are tons of other eurobeat series that follow another format, feature songs that don't appear on SEBs. There are even a few other publishers (like Farm Records) who still poop out eurobeat every once in while.

I've been noticing this earlier, but I think some of you guys should explore the eurobeat world a bit more, and look beyond just SEB. There's an entire universe to explore. :\

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Post by DarkSky » 29 Apr 2010, 22:34

drnrg wrote:You havn't read it either, or have you?
OF course I have, because if I hadn't I wouldn't talk about it like this. It's looking positive to stop the nagging about their strategies, and prices, and format blablabla. Just think.. a big company cannot make big changes in a small period of time. We're still talking about a company that wants to make profit, and you should understand that it's not possible to change alot at once....
drnrg wrote:You honestly think if you stick in 2 Eurobeat songs on a techno cd, that those hardcore Techno fans are gonna start liking Eurobeat out of the blue or vice a versa?
No, but it's a way to let these Eurobeat-freakz listen to different kinds of music made by their favorite artists and producers. Maybe to gain more trust that Eurobeat producers can also make other kinds of music, to change Eurobeat without having negative feedback all the time.. I dunno? I like the format, it's good for Japanese fans (JEuro Side), and people who don't like eurobeat.
drnrg wrote:I just want the labels that I really love, TIME/Eurogrooves, DELTA and HRG Attack to stay true to the traditional Eurobeat sound.
Ah come on, you really want to stick to the old Eurobeat.. if you keep on doing this you'll probably be very disappointed when Eurobeat will change.
thejti wrote:For me, in order to get to the future of Eurobeat, you have to get out of the past.
Yeah, I definitely agree with that.
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I think we would gain more fans if Eurobeat changes to a slower genre that sounds more like pop. You don't listen to the music because you dance, but you dance because you listen to the music. Music is more important than a silly dance.
MKWiakaku wrote: Why do you guys keep nagging about the format of Super Eurobeat cds. There are tons of other eurobeat series that follow another format, feature songs that don't appear on SEBs.
Yes, stop nagging about all these silly things -.-

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Post by drnrg » 29 Apr 2010, 23:02

DarkSky
Ah come on, you really want to stick to the old Eurobeat.. if you keep on doing this you'll probably be very disappointed when Eurobeat will change
I'll be even more dissapointed when Eurobeat doesn't sound like Eurobeat anymore. Of course I prefer the way those three labels make music. That's why they are my favs :D

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