New Italo Disco songs on youtube

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Post by the_ditz » 08 Apr 2013, 16:37

drnrg wrote:Pitbull feat Christina Aguilera- Live This Moment.

I wonder if Norwegian band; A-Ha gave them the right to sample "Take On Me" :!:
Yes they did. I'm sure I read somewhere about how happy and honoured Pitbull was to be able to use such a classic sample. ;)

Yes, Maggie Reilly's original Everytime We Touch is the "true" original. There was actually another Eurodance version by Lacara (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNDS1y8pQUc) released in 2003 which used the verses from Maggie's version, and therefore could be considered as a more accurate cover version. Cascada's version uses the same chorus but completely new verses, so therefore it stands alone a bit more from the original in that sense ;)

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Post by UFOPOLI » 09 Apr 2013, 11:18

the_ditz wrote:Cascada's version uses the same chorus but completely new verses, so therefore it stands alone a bit more from the original in that sense ;)
And I think the original verses are a lot more interesting. However, when they did the same thing to Nik Kershaw's Wouldn't It Be Good, it was definitely an improvement.

Incidentally, the new verses added by Cascada into these two songs sound very much alike with each other :D
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Post by the_ditz » 09 Apr 2013, 15:23

UFOPOLI wrote:
the_ditz wrote:Cascada's version uses the same chorus but completely new verses, so therefore it stands alone a bit more from the original in that sense ;)
And I think the original verses are a lot more interesting. However, when they did the same thing to Nik Kershaw's Wouldn't It Be Good, it was definitely an improvement.

Incidentally, the new verses added by Cascada into these two songs sound very much alike with each other :D
Yes, they are very similar. I would often sing the chorus to ETWT after the verses of WIBG by mistake - the correlation between verse and chorus just didn't gel as well for me.

I do prefer the melodies of the original verses to ETWT but Cascada's delivery of the more simplistic ones is so spot-on that it just works :)

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Post by drnrg » 10 Apr 2013, 04:37

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And I think the original verses are a lot more interesting. However, when they did the same thing to Nik Kershaw's Wouldn't It Be Good, it was definitely an improvement.
I love the original Nick Kershaw song. It's so Progressive New Wave. I wouldn't call Cascada's a cover. It's a nice song, but she only uses the chorus. It's more like what I mentioned a few days back with Pitbull and Christina Aguilera's "Feel This Moment" It uses the "Take On Me" riff, but nothing more. It's still nice to hear the melodies, but I'll stick with the originals :)

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Post by pokecapn » 21 Apr 2013, 06:37

synthjunkie wrote:
the_ditz wrote:
drnrg wrote:the_ditz Well,the only one that comes to mind at the moment is Rythm Of The Night. I guess it was a cover and she had to stay tru to it's original form? I might have been thinking about someone else? Anyway,That's the whole point of why I actually like her music. So I'll correct it so to say, Hardly any use of that robotic rapping. :wink:
Rhythm Of The Night was Corona, and has been covered by a couple of acts, but not Natalie/Cascada as far as I know. None of Cascada's tracks contain any "robotic rapping" (I'm assuming you're referring to the Real McCoy/La Bouche style 90's rapping? Maybe not, but that's what I'm assuming you're talking about. Cascada is all about showcasing Natalie's amazing vocals, nothing else!
Ok, Corona's "rhythm of the night" is a million times better than Cascada's. It's a shame she had to change her older eurodance style to fit more the american dance pop style....

So many of these pop songs are complete rip offs, either done with permission or without, of either italo melodies or eurodance songs.
some of the older ones even copy disco songs.

The biggest one I can think of is LMFAO and their song "party rock", the riff on that song sounds like a rip off of italian eurodance group "Cappella" and their song "tell me the way"song here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOGBbWu-gd4


Another biggie is how Annerly Gordon's eurodance project, whigfield, had a song called "Think of you" in the 90's, and was plagarized by UK boy band "One Direction" with their song "stole my heart."
On one brazilian "one direction" fan page, it states that whigfield is seeking damages for plagarism from One Direction.
http://onedirection.com.br/whigfield-es ... or-plagio/
link showing how both songs share the same melody in the lyrics during the chorus can be found here:
https://soundcloud.com/kevin-b-lling/on ... -whigfield

Nicky Minaj's song "pound the alarm" rips off the beginning riff from the piano riff off of belgiam eurodance group Cartouche's song "feel the groove."

Nicky Minaj - pound the alarm (instrumental version): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIussneMT6w
Cartouche - feel the groove:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOGBbWu-gd4

Drake feat. Rihanna - take care copies the piano synth from CeCe Rodgers - Let's join hands
song here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2AqGiX4F1I
Drake feat. Rihanna - take care: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zzP29emgpg

Lady Gaga's Alejandro rips off the beat from Ace of Base's - Don't turn around.

Madonna's song "girl gone wild" riff rips off of the riff from kylie minogue's "love at first sight", which itself is a rip off of the riff of an older song by italo legend "spagna" and her song "love at first sight" (notice the same title name)


spagna - love at first sight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuFA0-OlXhE

katy perry's california girls rips off some melody in the lyrics and song melody from clara moroni's eurodance project "antares" and her song "whenever you want me."

lady gaga's song "fashion" rips off the riff from "robert owens" and his song "i'll be your friend - glamorous mix"
robert owens - i'll be your friend (glamorous mix):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyOpccib2vw

and to top it all off, madonna, whom many consider the queen of pop, is nothing but a rip off queen herself. her most famous song that made her famous "holiday" is a complete rip off of the song released before hers called "happy days" by the disco funk group "north end".
Madonna - Holiday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE4hDrymvYw
North End - happy days (side a): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3avFRtT6SU
North end - tee's happy (side b) (this is the instrumental version of happy days): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRDUu96mzvw

eurodance group double you, who is producted by roberto zanetti, of italo-disco fame under his 80's name "savage" and produced artists such as Corona and ICE MC, had a song called "please don't go" in the 90's, which was copied in both melody and lyrics during the chorus by Tyler Merediros - Please don't go. This song was butchered to death.
Double you - please don't go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIAnkrPgTvY
Tyler Medeiros - Please don't go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp_y8wAczGI

i could go one and one comparing how today's pop music is just a rehash sound world of older tunes, and riffs...just in a much more boring way.

i understand that alot of eurobeat tunes too use samples, especially alot of the sounds from many Stock aiken waterman productions, but eurobeat never claims itself to be original, while these so called pop artists of today at times DO claim their fame for being original, and even have bitch fights about who made what song first (ahem, lady gaga vs. madonna) which is what does piss me off they don't give credit to where the credit comes from, in this case they are neither copying off either of them but another souce (ex. lady gaga's born this way is NOT a copy of madonna's "express yourself", but actually a song that predates madonna's called "libertine" by french diva "mylene farmer.") So in the end, the source copied by these pop artists tends to be from forgotten songs that more than likely, the average american listener would have no idea from where it samples from, plus the source tends to be songs that are way to old for the younger generation to have ever listened in their lifetime, so more chance that they wouldn't be able to pick out the "inspiration." Create controversy, sex, scandals, and use unknown samples which the general public couldn't pick out in order to sound "original" in order to create cheap music, which equals money and fame. That's mainstream music.

Mylene Farmer - Libertine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lqA_tod6qs
compare with: lady gaga - born this way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lqA_tod6qs
WARNING: mylene's video contains frontal nudity! lol
Sure, looping three notes that sort of sound like they have the same pitch and rhythm on a completely different synthesizer is plagarism, and no one should ever attempt to make any new music because it's all been done before, but what about the true artists who developed the synthesizers and drum sequencers that make the the past 40 years of music possible? I think Moog and Kakahashi deserve writing credits on every song, to say nothing of their inspirations and the people who laid down their groundwork.

Actually, forget it. I'm sure all of these jerks ripped off the true geniuses who were composing Gregorian Chants 1500 years ago.

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Post by synthjunkie » 21 Apr 2013, 22:16

pokecapn wrote:
synthjunkie wrote:
the_ditz wrote: Rhythm Of The Night was Corona, and has been covered by a couple of acts, but not Natalie/Cascada as far as I know. None of Cascada's tracks contain any "robotic rapping" (I'm assuming you're referring to the Real McCoy/La Bouche style 90's rapping? Maybe not, but that's what I'm assuming you're talking about. Cascada is all about showcasing Natalie's amazing vocals, nothing else!
Ok, Corona's "rhythm of the night" is a million times better than Cascada's. It's a shame she had to change her older eurodance style to fit more the american dance pop style....

So many of these pop songs are complete rip offs, either done with permission or without, of either italo melodies or eurodance songs.
some of the older ones even copy disco songs.

The biggest one I can think of is LMFAO and their song "party rock", the riff on that song sounds like a rip off of italian eurodance group "Cappella" and their song "tell me the way"song here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOGBbWu-gd4


Another biggie is how Annerly Gordon's eurodance project, whigfield, had a song called "Think of you" in the 90's, and was plagarized by UK boy band "One Direction" with their song "stole my heart."
On one brazilian "one direction" fan page, it states that whigfield is seeking damages for plagarism from One Direction.
http://onedirection.com.br/whigfield-es ... or-plagio/
link showing how both songs share the same melody in the lyrics during the chorus can be found here:
https://soundcloud.com/kevin-b-lling/on ... -whigfield

Nicky Minaj's song "pound the alarm" rips off the beginning riff from the piano riff off of belgiam eurodance group Cartouche's song "feel the groove."

Nicky Minaj - pound the alarm (instrumental version): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIussneMT6w
Cartouche - feel the groove:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOGBbWu-gd4

Drake feat. Rihanna - take care copies the piano synth from CeCe Rodgers - Let's join hands
song here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2AqGiX4F1I
Drake feat. Rihanna - take care: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zzP29emgpg

Lady Gaga's Alejandro rips off the beat from Ace of Base's - Don't turn around.

Madonna's song "girl gone wild" riff rips off of the riff from kylie minogue's "love at first sight", which itself is a rip off of the riff of an older song by italo legend "spagna" and her song "love at first sight" (notice the same title name)


spagna - love at first sight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuFA0-OlXhE

katy perry's california girls rips off some melody in the lyrics and song melody from clara moroni's eurodance project "antares" and her song "whenever you want me."

lady gaga's song "fashion" rips off the riff from "robert owens" and his song "i'll be your friend - glamorous mix"
robert owens - i'll be your friend (glamorous mix):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyOpccib2vw

and to top it all off, madonna, whom many consider the queen of pop, is nothing but a rip off queen herself. her most famous song that made her famous "holiday" is a complete rip off of the song released before hers called "happy days" by the disco funk group "north end".
Madonna - Holiday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE4hDrymvYw
North End - happy days (side a): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3avFRtT6SU
North end - tee's happy (side b) (this is the instrumental version of happy days): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRDUu96mzvw

eurodance group double you, who is producted by roberto zanetti, of italo-disco fame under his 80's name "savage" and produced artists such as Corona and ICE MC, had a song called "please don't go" in the 90's, which was copied in both melody and lyrics during the chorus by Tyler Merediros - Please don't go. This song was butchered to death.
Double you - please don't go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIAnkrPgTvY
Tyler Medeiros - Please don't go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp_y8wAczGI

i could go one and one comparing how today's pop music is just a rehash sound world of older tunes, and riffs...just in a much more boring way.

i understand that alot of eurobeat tunes too use samples, especially alot of the sounds from many Stock aiken waterman productions, but eurobeat never claims itself to be original, while these so called pop artists of today at times DO claim their fame for being original, and even have bitch fights about who made what song first (ahem, lady gaga vs. madonna) which is what does piss me off they don't give credit to where the credit comes from, in this case they are neither copying off either of them but another souce (ex. lady gaga's born this way is NOT a copy of madonna's "express yourself", but actually a song that predates madonna's called "libertine" by french diva "mylene farmer.") So in the end, the source copied by these pop artists tends to be from forgotten songs that more than likely, the average american listener would have no idea from where it samples from, plus the source tends to be songs that are way to old for the younger generation to have ever listened in their lifetime, so more chance that they wouldn't be able to pick out the "inspiration." Create controversy, sex, scandals, and use unknown samples which the general public couldn't pick out in order to sound "original" in order to create cheap music, which equals money and fame. That's mainstream music.

Mylene Farmer - Libertine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lqA_tod6qs
compare with: lady gaga - born this way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lqA_tod6qs
WARNING: mylene's video contains frontal nudity! lol
Sure, looping three notes that sort of sound like they have the same pitch and rhythm on a completely different synthesizer is plagarism, and no one should ever attempt to make any new music because it's all been done before, but what about the true artists who developed the synthesizers and drum sequencers that make the the past 40 years of music possible? I think Moog and Kakahashi deserve writing credits on every song, to say nothing of their inspirations and the people who laid down their groundwork.

Actually, forget it. I'm sure all of these jerks ripped off the true geniuses who were composing Gregorian Chants 1500 years ago.
Other great composers who helped to pioneer the sound made on these machines include Vangelis, Giorgio Moroder, and Patrick Cowley.

Aside from this, Italo-disco IS the first completely electronic dance music genre that existed. Sure, there was disco which sometimes would blend synthesizers with real instruments. There was rock, which too at times blended real guitars with synths. There was new wave, which too at times had synths, but also real guitars. And there was classical and new age sounds by Vangelis, all on synthesizers, but they were not dance music.
None of these genres were completely DANCE orientated while also being COMPLETELY electronic at the same time.

What made Italo different from the rest was that while America wanted disco to be dead back in the late 70's, mostly because of intolerance towards disco at that time and the homophobia associated with dance music at the time, disco never died in Europe, and it became Italo-disco (sometimes produced by Italians, sometimes by Germans, or Dutch, and sometimes the Spanish), and it thrived in clubs all over Europe, especially Spain, Germany, Holland, Italy, and Greece.

During the early to mid 80's, some underground American producers, who wanted to create a music for the minority groups and places for them to hang out and be under one "house" (mostly for the homosexual and/or latino and/or black communities) who didn't want to fit into the mold of what was popular during that time: rock and american pop (which was a toned down version of italo-disco with more focus on the vocals rather than the melodies and synths), started to invent house (chicago house) and techno (detroit techno). House was using similar vocals to those from disco and soul music from the 70's, except it was fully synthesized. It was borrowing from disco's vocals and funk, and blending it with the synths used in italo-disco, and furtehr developed it with newer beats, kicks and drums. A further step down the road was freestyle music, which was a blend of house, latino, and italo sounds, embraced by the latino communities. While all this was happening underground, due to criticism from mainstream american pop and rock followers, Europe was re-inventing the disco sound with Italo-disco, fully synthesized, and at first much more mild and slow sounding, with influences of new wave added in.

The mainstream American music fans still wouldn't allow these sounds to be part of their mainsteam music, and continued to deny it until the recent boom in EDM up until the 2005-2006-2007 time. Sure, these was some eurodance here and there in the States, but it was never that big as it was in other parts of the world: Europe mostly, and big in Latin America, and in Japan. Bands such as Backstreet boys, New Kids on the Block were mostly the USA counter attack sound for the 90's for the North American market, instead of the more electronically fast paced eurodance/eurohouse counterparts popular in other parts of the world. Later entries using those sound influences into their music include artists such as Britney Spears and Madonna. They were all heavily infuenced by 80's freestyle sound, as well as disco, and italo disco.

Today's mainstream pop dance music has also many influences from Daft Punk, as well as some Italo dance artists such as Eiffel 65, which groups both focused heavily on the vocoder and auto-tune type of sounding vocals seen in so much of today's mainstream music. The vocoders were actually used quite a bit underground as well during the 80's by legend Giorgio Moroder, as well as some space synth groups such as Laserdance.

The whole history of electronic dance music is huge and very interesting. It really helps to open one's mind to the music that is around.
I am not telling anybody to not listen to whatever music he or she already likes, as that is his/her choice, but all I am saying is to try and looker a bit deeper rather than passing off some melodies as mere coincidences.
I personally don't like mainstream music because of:
1. it undermines the talent that is not mainstream, cool, or "in"
3. artists like to create controversy, and bitch fight, scandals, just making the viewer more interested in them, and to pity them, or sympathize with them when they are in fact not that different than any other human being (look at all the tabloids, and music talk shows, and hollywood/music themed reality shows, paparazzi related media, in where we tend to put these idols on pedastols above other human beings, which i think is not right)
4. many of these artists claim to be original, which is stupid to say, because nobody in essence is original anymore.

Yes, we can try and argue that everything stems from everything before it, which is true too to a degree, but there is a limit here, and the fact that we are solely just talking about ELECTRONIC DANCE MUSIC here, it is obvious that all forms of mainstream pop dance music played today have been either directly, or indirectly (at times unintetionally) influenced and at times sampled from these older genres of entirely electronic dance music: italo-disco or early house music, which in essence all stems from basic 70's disco and funk.

You might want to check out this great online guide to electronic dance music right here:
http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/

The Ishkur's guide was labeled on wikipedia as a "Hierarchical Organization and Description of Music Collections at the Artist Level" in the published report of the refereed proceedings of the 9th European Conference on Research and Advanced Technology for Digital Libraries, ECDL 2005, held in Vienna, Austria.
Mind you, I did find some errors/inconsistencies on it, in which I shall contact the maker of it to let him/her know. However, generally, I think it is pretty well laid-out.

It is an online database which lets you easily and quickly point and click onto every genre of electronic music that has ever existed, and provides instant explanations to the origins of each genre of music, and brief clips of samples songs of each genre, and is all laid out on a web-like chart, showing arrows as to how each genre influenced the next. It's a really brilliant site, which might helps those who don't know know much about the origins of today's dance music scene, and it's originators, and maybe to take some time to reflect the great people who influenced today's electronic music industry.

I recommend this database to everybody else on here who wants to better understand Eurobeat, and Italo-disco as well. You might discover some other genres of music you didn't know even existed. It's good to have an open mind in this day of age and be less desensitized by what is playing on popular radio stations, and try to understand the the huge "influences" of older music which has affected today's music, rather than passing them off as "coincidences."
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Post by the_ditz » 21 Apr 2013, 22:21

Interesting link - shame they credited "Grand Prix" to Dave Rodgers and not Mega NRG Man :???:

Also, I wasn't aware that Becca, Natascha Hagen, Consilio, Sarina Paris etc. were considered "Nu Italo" - I always referred to it as Italo Dance (since it was the more modern evolution of Italo Disco to me. But yeah - amazing memories from my childhood in the samples there and in the Eurodance tab.

Also, why is it "Happy House" and not "Bubblegum Dance"? Also couldn't find "Makina", which is disappointing since it was always my favourite hardcore sub-genre ;)

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Post by synthjunkie » 21 Apr 2013, 22:48

the_ditz wrote:Interesting link - shame they credited "Grand Prix" to Dave Rodgers and not Mega NRG Man :???:

Also, I wasn't aware that Becca, Natascha Hagen, Consilio, Sarina Paris etc. were considered "Nu Italo" - I always referred to it as Italo Dance (since it was the more modern evolution of Italo Disco to me. But yeah - amazing memories from my childhood in the samples there and in the Eurodance tab.

Also, why is it "Happy House" and not "Bubblegum Dance"? Also couldn't find "Makina", which is disappointing since it was always my favourite hardcore sub-genre ;)
I know, I should contact the maker about those things, and ask them, especially to at least correct the credit for Grand Prix.

I still really like the site though, and makes it super quick and easy and fun to learn about the origins of electronic dance music.
Also quite amazing to have eurobeat and jpop added in there, which usually wouldn't be noticed by many.

My favourite genres by far are:

Italo-disco, hi-nrg, freestyle, eurobeat, chicago house (which i just call "classic house"), techno dance (which I just call "techno house"), eurodance (which is also called "eurohouse"), vocal (vocal house, which i think should really be retitled "italo house" on that website, as well as french (french house), disco house.

By my top three will always be:
Italo-disco, the godfather of all electronic DANCE music, eurobeat (pumped up italo-disco), italohouse (late 1980's, early 1990's italohouse is best).

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Post by Mindsweeper » 23 Apr 2013, 06:46

synthjunkie wrote:
I know, I should contact the maker about those things, and ask them, especially to at least correct the credit for Grand Prix.
People have tried to contact him about errors. He gives no discernible fucks and won't fix anything.

That being said, I love Ishkur's guide, the description for speedcore cracks me up every time. :D

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Post by drnrg » 23 Apr 2013, 07:02

So it seems Bobby- O has had some new music in the last few years. His vocals were not really the best IMOP, but damn, he new his HIGH ENERGY.

This one seems like a pure Bobby O greatest hits rolled into one. Pure magic. I've been looping this one all day.

Obsession- Bobby - O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46w2EAc6GiM

here's the super extended ,but uploaded at really low volume kills the effect for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=820oqoRdJRI

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Post by Vadim » 24 Apr 2013, 09:12

SKYNIGHT AVENUE *Last fight Of The Vampires*.

Brand new tune from S.I.B. German team Systems In Blue deserves a credit for keeping the signature german NRG sound that was made famous by Modern Talking and Blue System in the 80-s. Full professional quality NRG music is a great rarity nowadays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQlrbmGLsDA

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Post by drnrg » 25 Apr 2013, 03:51

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SKYNIGHT AVENUE *Last fight Of The Vampires
Love it! very crafty title too. Never cared too much for Modern Talking, nor Blue Sytem. For me German style was more like Love Spy- Mike Mareen(also German),but I like this singer's style and the Jimmy Sommerville Falsetto vocals just adds to the magic.

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Post by drnrg » 30 Oct 2013, 07:44

Bumping this one to shout out the brand new ItaLove and TQ duet

ItaLOVE and TQ- Rhythm Of Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo4NtJt-814

The best of Japanese and Italian NRG

New Trans-X remix
Trans X (-into the Light) - Marco Rochowski Remix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JtnK6uQCmo

Tom Garrow - Come back! (Italo Disco 2013)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l16nu9GCik

Tons of other new Italo Disco, but these three are my favs for the moment.

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Post by wolftickets1969 » 19 Feb 2014, 05:30

Also, Pamsy plagiarized "Everytime We Touch"(specifically, the Trinity arrangement from 2003) in "Livin' In the Night". In one of the non-stop mixes, they even incorporated samples from the former song.

Trinity - Everytime We Touch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSrwPY_DKN0

Pamsy - Livin' in the Night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQjshILrER0

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Post by synthjunkie » 20 Feb 2014, 05:44

Fred Ventura released a new album on Space Sound Records this month. He collaborated with Paolo Gozzetti titled "Italoconnection."

Fred Ventura used to sing 80's Italo disco as well as some HI-NRG on Time Records, Flea Records, Beaver Records.

http://spacesoundrecords.com/

Some of his songs can be heard on here:
https://soundcloud.com/italoconnection

I really like his new song "Atelier Folie - Leave Me Alone" among others.

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