EUROLOVERS YT Channal has been terminated
Posted: 26 Nov 2016, 00:43
(From my post on idforums)
They did it! They fucking did it!
EUROLOVERS channel, the one and biggest channel that has been the front of bringing Eurobeat to the world for over six years, has been deleted due to third-party notifications for copyright infringement.
You fucking idiotis
Last night I noticed the videos through my latest Eurobeat playist consisting of the latest SEB album had been deleted. At first I wasn't all that surprised but then I noticed that over half of the music of my previous playist consisting music from SEB albums 231-239 has also been deleted. It at this point I really started to get worried. I was afraid I was going to wake up the next morning and find that the biggest Eurobeat on YouTube had been terminated. And lo and behold, it happened! All because a bunch of copyright assholes found it necessary to fuck over a person who in truth was doing nothing wrong.
Now before you starting saying that file-sharing is illegal, let me say this. What exactly is wrong with file-sharing? No, seriously. What exactly is wrong with it? Especially for a music genre that is barely known around the world outside of Japan? This isn't mainstream music we're talking about here, be it pop, hip-hop, rap, whatever. We're talking about a music genre that has had the bare minimum of promotion in the the nearly 27 years since it first started. The few who do know about it outside of Japan either discovered it through the anime Initial D or by chance. It was the reason why we became fans and why we made efforts to try to get this music better known and the one only ways to do that was with file-sharing through the internet. Illegal? Yes, but that the only way they could do it since Avex Trax made no efforts to try to promote SEB around the world.
So what exactly is wrong with file-sharing in this sense? Most of people doing it are not trying to make money off of it, nor are they claiming that it's their music. Many of those people will even acknowledge the copyright holders and specifically state that no copyright infringement is intended. They're only trying to share this music with other people. That's promotion, not copyright infringement. And yet, they're being punished for no fucking reason at all!
"Well, they didn't have permission from the company."
Fuck you! Under the fair use doctrine you allow to use clips from music or videos for whatever you're creating for nonprofit and educational purposes. You can actually upload entire movies or music if you wanted to for that reason. You do not the company's permission, written or verbal, unless you intent to make money off of it. Then you need their permission! If you're doing for free, and for promotional or educational reasons, then why the fuck should these companies care about file-sharing, especially for a an album that came out a long time ago, like five or ten years ago? What difference is it going to make? You not going to make any more money off of those old albums, nor are you going to lose any!
If Avex-Trax so worried about about file-sharing then what they should do is this. First, make bigger efforts to promote SEB. Second, create an official YouTube channel and upload the music there, just like everyone did only this time you'll be doing legally. Certain labels like SCP have done it! Many other music companies have done it! Why can't you? Third, wait until a certain time period after you release the latest album to upload the new music onto you YouTube channel, specifically when the initial sales finally die down. If anyone wants to buy the album afterwards, kudos. You just made a little extra money. Really, it's not that hard.
"Why don't you just buy the albums instead?"
Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a physical copy of any SEB album?
We're not talking about a real famous band here that has maybe a dozen albums under their belt that still sells even today. We're talking a compilation series, the worlds longest compilation series I might add, of various artists who came together to create something special yet in truth has received very little attention attention compared to famous band like the Bee Gees and Bon Jovi over the years. SEB albums sell like what? 500? 600 at the most with each release? That's a far cry to other famous albums from certain bands. And there's 241 albums out right now! Do you seriously expect people to just go out there and buy every single album out there?
Okay, let's say Avex Trax makes every SEB album available to buy except it's still only available in Japan. Oh! And let's not forget the Maharaja Night series and the Euroflash series. Hell, let's go ahead and throw in the Euromach megamixes and the Initial D special albums for good measure. That's 300 or so albums all thrown in together yet the only way a non Japanese fan can get them is to import them. Each SEB album we have had recently is nearly $23. To import them, shipping and handling would add $25+. So you're spending $50 for every single album. Let's do the math.
SEB Albums alone = $12, 050
Everything else thrown in = $15,000+
$15,000?! I can buy a new car in for that kind of money! Hell, I could even buy every single gaming console and a brand new gaming computer for the same amount. No one has that kind of money! No wants to spend that kind of money! Oh, I'm sure the most dedicated hardcore fan will but how many of those you think exist in the world? So the only other way to do it is to download them digitally, but even that's hard to do! SEB 241 had been out for two months now and it's still not available on itunes! WTF! Hell, last I checked, there seemed to little to no Eurobeat on itunes. And even if you could find the old albums, you'd be spending three times the amount of what it was originally worth because of how rare the album. So in the end, you'll be spending close to $20,000 total.
What the fuck is going Avex Trax?! What the fuck are you doing?! Your music is barely known outside of Japan! You've done nothing to help it grow it when it started to get attention partly because of Initial D. You could have taken that opportunity to feature Eurobeat in more anime products! Like having one about a high school band that did this kind of music. Hell, make it a musical if you like! You could have introduced SEB to the US and other places around the world when the new millennium came around! But no! You didn't! Instead you just chocking the very life out of these labels, most of which have been with from the very beginning, to get every little yen because you're not satisfied with all the other stuff you have.
So it shouldn't come as a surprise that certain people start file-sharing on YT because they know that you won't do it, knowing full well they risk having their channels deleted. Yet they do it anyway because that's how much they love this music and they want to share with the rest of the world in hopes of it getting the recognition it deserves. I understand why this happened but it happened for the wrong reasons. EUROLOVERS was one of your biggest supporters and he did everything he could to help promote your music. Yes it was illegal but that was the only way he could do it. And it's quite impressive that he lasted this long. But instead of asking him nicely to shut down his channel you instead let the copy-right police slit his throat. And for what? Nothing! Except "Give us money God Dammit!"
And that's the funny thing! EUROLOVERS was doing this for nothing! He wasn't asking for money, he wasn't trying the steal anyone's music. He's was only doing this to share and promote. How exactly is that wrong?! I just don't understand why people are so convinced that this wrong. You might as well say that I'm not allowed to play this kind of music in a social gathering because I don't have the company's permission. I know that sounds stupid but that's what it's leading to!
Sigh...
Unbelievable. Nearly seven years of hard work from this channel and it ends like this. Over 4,000 videos and nearly 40,000 subscribers. That alone should tell you something. Sure, it's a far cry from other music channels that over a million subscribers but I consider that a major accomplishment seeing that number rise slowly but surely everyday. EUROLOVERS was the best Eurobeat channel for many reasons. He's part of the reason why I have a channel on YouTube. I could sit there listen to just about every Eurobeat song without to look all over the internet or spend a bunch just to do so. Now, it looks like I'm not going to be able to anymore. Sure, there's other channels out there but... don't count on them being around for much longer. Now that this... "purge" is going on how long do you think it will be before all those other channels are terminated? Tomorrow? Next week? Two weeks from now? A month if their lucky?
I don't know what to say guys. We have every reason to be worried now. I'm pretty much convinced that at this point we'll never see SEB get out of the slump it's been for the last few years. When you at SEB and its amazing history, it's really sad to see the state it's in now. A mere shadow of what it once was. I just can't see it lasting beyond 2020 with the way Avex Trax is treating it. If this continues on, I think what needs to happen is that the Italian labels need to split from SEB and Avex Trax entirely because they're not going anywhere. They can't go anywhere because Avex Trax won't let them. They need to just leave and start all over. Maybe move over to the US and try to get some new young blood into the genre. If they really made an effort on that, it could really turn into something special.
"SUPER AMERICA BEAT"
That actually doesn't sound too bad.
Overall, I'm really sad and upset about this. But... this event might mean something. Maybe Avex Trax is going to exactly what I suggested up above. But... given to what they've been doing lately I'm not about to get my hopes up just yet. I'm hoping for the best but I'm also expecting the worse. For all those who like to share Eurobeat on YouTube you better be prepared because you might be next.
This was the wrong thing to do Avex Trax and you fucking know it. And that goes for all you copyright police(or should I say "Euro-police) as well who made this happen. Don't give me that crap about it being justified because that's just plain bullshit. Thanks to you, a good channel is gone forever along with any hope of Eurobeat might have on ever making an impact around the world. I hope you people are proud of yourselves because you won't get any support or sympathy from me.
EUROLOVERS, if you happen to see this post, thank you for all you hard work over the years. I don't care if it was illegal, you did it out of pure dedication and you did it with pride. I enjoyed every song you put up and your efforts is what made Eurobeat so special to listen to. It's a real sad shame that it had to end like this, but it was fun while it lasted. Whatever you do from now on, I wish you the best.
"So I say
Thank you for the music, the songs I'm singing
Thanks for all the joy they're bringing
Who can live without it, I ask in all honesty
What would life be?
Without a song or a dance what are we?
So I say thank you for the music
For giving it to me"
R.I.P. EUROLOVERS
2010-2016
They did it! They fucking did it!
EUROLOVERS channel, the one and biggest channel that has been the front of bringing Eurobeat to the world for over six years, has been deleted due to third-party notifications for copyright infringement.
You fucking idiotis
Last night I noticed the videos through my latest Eurobeat playist consisting of the latest SEB album had been deleted. At first I wasn't all that surprised but then I noticed that over half of the music of my previous playist consisting music from SEB albums 231-239 has also been deleted. It at this point I really started to get worried. I was afraid I was going to wake up the next morning and find that the biggest Eurobeat on YouTube had been terminated. And lo and behold, it happened! All because a bunch of copyright assholes found it necessary to fuck over a person who in truth was doing nothing wrong.
Now before you starting saying that file-sharing is illegal, let me say this. What exactly is wrong with file-sharing? No, seriously. What exactly is wrong with it? Especially for a music genre that is barely known around the world outside of Japan? This isn't mainstream music we're talking about here, be it pop, hip-hop, rap, whatever. We're talking about a music genre that has had the bare minimum of promotion in the the nearly 27 years since it first started. The few who do know about it outside of Japan either discovered it through the anime Initial D or by chance. It was the reason why we became fans and why we made efforts to try to get this music better known and the one only ways to do that was with file-sharing through the internet. Illegal? Yes, but that the only way they could do it since Avex Trax made no efforts to try to promote SEB around the world.
So what exactly is wrong with file-sharing in this sense? Most of people doing it are not trying to make money off of it, nor are they claiming that it's their music. Many of those people will even acknowledge the copyright holders and specifically state that no copyright infringement is intended. They're only trying to share this music with other people. That's promotion, not copyright infringement. And yet, they're being punished for no fucking reason at all!
"Well, they didn't have permission from the company."
Fuck you! Under the fair use doctrine you allow to use clips from music or videos for whatever you're creating for nonprofit and educational purposes. You can actually upload entire movies or music if you wanted to for that reason. You do not the company's permission, written or verbal, unless you intent to make money off of it. Then you need their permission! If you're doing for free, and for promotional or educational reasons, then why the fuck should these companies care about file-sharing, especially for a an album that came out a long time ago, like five or ten years ago? What difference is it going to make? You not going to make any more money off of those old albums, nor are you going to lose any!
If Avex-Trax so worried about about file-sharing then what they should do is this. First, make bigger efforts to promote SEB. Second, create an official YouTube channel and upload the music there, just like everyone did only this time you'll be doing legally. Certain labels like SCP have done it! Many other music companies have done it! Why can't you? Third, wait until a certain time period after you release the latest album to upload the new music onto you YouTube channel, specifically when the initial sales finally die down. If anyone wants to buy the album afterwards, kudos. You just made a little extra money. Really, it's not that hard.
"Why don't you just buy the albums instead?"
Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a physical copy of any SEB album?
We're not talking about a real famous band here that has maybe a dozen albums under their belt that still sells even today. We're talking a compilation series, the worlds longest compilation series I might add, of various artists who came together to create something special yet in truth has received very little attention attention compared to famous band like the Bee Gees and Bon Jovi over the years. SEB albums sell like what? 500? 600 at the most with each release? That's a far cry to other famous albums from certain bands. And there's 241 albums out right now! Do you seriously expect people to just go out there and buy every single album out there?
Okay, let's say Avex Trax makes every SEB album available to buy except it's still only available in Japan. Oh! And let's not forget the Maharaja Night series and the Euroflash series. Hell, let's go ahead and throw in the Euromach megamixes and the Initial D special albums for good measure. That's 300 or so albums all thrown in together yet the only way a non Japanese fan can get them is to import them. Each SEB album we have had recently is nearly $23. To import them, shipping and handling would add $25+. So you're spending $50 for every single album. Let's do the math.
SEB Albums alone = $12, 050
Everything else thrown in = $15,000+
$15,000?! I can buy a new car in for that kind of money! Hell, I could even buy every single gaming console and a brand new gaming computer for the same amount. No one has that kind of money! No wants to spend that kind of money! Oh, I'm sure the most dedicated hardcore fan will but how many of those you think exist in the world? So the only other way to do it is to download them digitally, but even that's hard to do! SEB 241 had been out for two months now and it's still not available on itunes! WTF! Hell, last I checked, there seemed to little to no Eurobeat on itunes. And even if you could find the old albums, you'd be spending three times the amount of what it was originally worth because of how rare the album. So in the end, you'll be spending close to $20,000 total.
What the fuck is going Avex Trax?! What the fuck are you doing?! Your music is barely known outside of Japan! You've done nothing to help it grow it when it started to get attention partly because of Initial D. You could have taken that opportunity to feature Eurobeat in more anime products! Like having one about a high school band that did this kind of music. Hell, make it a musical if you like! You could have introduced SEB to the US and other places around the world when the new millennium came around! But no! You didn't! Instead you just chocking the very life out of these labels, most of which have been with from the very beginning, to get every little yen because you're not satisfied with all the other stuff you have.
So it shouldn't come as a surprise that certain people start file-sharing on YT because they know that you won't do it, knowing full well they risk having their channels deleted. Yet they do it anyway because that's how much they love this music and they want to share with the rest of the world in hopes of it getting the recognition it deserves. I understand why this happened but it happened for the wrong reasons. EUROLOVERS was one of your biggest supporters and he did everything he could to help promote your music. Yes it was illegal but that was the only way he could do it. And it's quite impressive that he lasted this long. But instead of asking him nicely to shut down his channel you instead let the copy-right police slit his throat. And for what? Nothing! Except "Give us money God Dammit!"
And that's the funny thing! EUROLOVERS was doing this for nothing! He wasn't asking for money, he wasn't trying the steal anyone's music. He's was only doing this to share and promote. How exactly is that wrong?! I just don't understand why people are so convinced that this wrong. You might as well say that I'm not allowed to play this kind of music in a social gathering because I don't have the company's permission. I know that sounds stupid but that's what it's leading to!
Sigh...
Unbelievable. Nearly seven years of hard work from this channel and it ends like this. Over 4,000 videos and nearly 40,000 subscribers. That alone should tell you something. Sure, it's a far cry from other music channels that over a million subscribers but I consider that a major accomplishment seeing that number rise slowly but surely everyday. EUROLOVERS was the best Eurobeat channel for many reasons. He's part of the reason why I have a channel on YouTube. I could sit there listen to just about every Eurobeat song without to look all over the internet or spend a bunch just to do so. Now, it looks like I'm not going to be able to anymore. Sure, there's other channels out there but... don't count on them being around for much longer. Now that this... "purge" is going on how long do you think it will be before all those other channels are terminated? Tomorrow? Next week? Two weeks from now? A month if their lucky?
I don't know what to say guys. We have every reason to be worried now. I'm pretty much convinced that at this point we'll never see SEB get out of the slump it's been for the last few years. When you at SEB and its amazing history, it's really sad to see the state it's in now. A mere shadow of what it once was. I just can't see it lasting beyond 2020 with the way Avex Trax is treating it. If this continues on, I think what needs to happen is that the Italian labels need to split from SEB and Avex Trax entirely because they're not going anywhere. They can't go anywhere because Avex Trax won't let them. They need to just leave and start all over. Maybe move over to the US and try to get some new young blood into the genre. If they really made an effort on that, it could really turn into something special.
"SUPER AMERICA BEAT"
That actually doesn't sound too bad.
Overall, I'm really sad and upset about this. But... this event might mean something. Maybe Avex Trax is going to exactly what I suggested up above. But... given to what they've been doing lately I'm not about to get my hopes up just yet. I'm hoping for the best but I'm also expecting the worse. For all those who like to share Eurobeat on YouTube you better be prepared because you might be next.
This was the wrong thing to do Avex Trax and you fucking know it. And that goes for all you copyright police(or should I say "Euro-police) as well who made this happen. Don't give me that crap about it being justified because that's just plain bullshit. Thanks to you, a good channel is gone forever along with any hope of Eurobeat might have on ever making an impact around the world. I hope you people are proud of yourselves because you won't get any support or sympathy from me.
EUROLOVERS, if you happen to see this post, thank you for all you hard work over the years. I don't care if it was illegal, you did it out of pure dedication and you did it with pride. I enjoyed every song you put up and your efforts is what made Eurobeat so special to listen to. It's a real sad shame that it had to end like this, but it was fun while it lasted. Whatever you do from now on, I wish you the best.
"So I say
Thank you for the music, the songs I'm singing
Thanks for all the joy they're bringing
Who can live without it, I ask in all honesty
What would life be?
Without a song or a dance what are we?
So I say thank you for the music
For giving it to me"
R.I.P. EUROLOVERS
2010-2016