Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by jeurobeat » 27 Feb 2018, 08:37

Lebon14 wrote:
26 Feb 2018, 23:37
Fun Facts:
"Sweet Lover" by Robert Patton appeared on both SEB 34 (6:26) and SEB 35 (5:23)...... and both are "extended volumes"and both called "Extended Mix".
Even the version on SEB 34 is shorter than the original extended, because some stuff was cut out from the extended on vinyl, which was more than 7 minutes.

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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by sethreed » 27 Feb 2018, 14:45

Lebon14 wrote:
26 Feb 2018, 23:37
eXtaticus wrote:
26 Feb 2018, 04:45
In many cases, tracks are actually produced first to radio or SEB length, and then extended after the initial version is finished
WTF did I just read. :ew: :ew:

Long to short is easier to do than the other way around. I've never seen this way of doing things... EVER. It's like saying that these vinyl published with Extended Mixes made teh Radio Cuts that appears on the B-Side before they made the A-Side. Like, no. Just no.
I know by Bratt that he "extended" some of his techno songs, cuz when he creates it, it cames in 3:xx-4:xx long. Same stuff happened with early Delta songs.

You can hear a lot of this songs are just repetition with instrumental cuts. Just a few have new stuff after the 3:30 (2 full rounds for most of the songs) mark.

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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by Lebon14 » 28 Feb 2018, 02:24

Back at the subject at end.
The problem here is not "how it's produced", "is extended necessary" or your listening preferences. The issue is passing off a song as something that is not. It's easy to tell when it's in a mix because you can just shrug it off coz you know it's not exactly "extended". If "Extended" means the longest version of the song, I think you should live up to the name of just don't use any mix suffixes.
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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by BBi » 28 Feb 2018, 03:04

McBazooka touched on a key point, that most artists originally record an Album version, then mix the Extended, Club, Radio, etc from there.

Historically, song naming has been more important to fans than producers.

Semantics aside, the mix is almost perfect!

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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by eXtaticus » 28 Feb 2018, 07:44

BBi wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 03:04
Semantics aside, the mix is almost perfect!

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^BBi must be a producer! I know that feeling all too well. :^)

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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by BBi » 28 Feb 2018, 08:23

eXtaticus wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 07:44
^BBi must be a producer! I know that feeling all too well. :^)
Thank you, but I'm still in skeleton console school my friend. :D

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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by sethreed » 28 Feb 2018, 20:09

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Recochoku Selling the Euromach one, in extended, 04:48, also in the vinyl (4:48)
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Juno selling the version used on Joy ParaPara DVD, I don't know where did they found it.

These two are named "Extended"

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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by drnrg » 01 Mar 2018, 06:39

This is exactly the reason I bought all the Time and AbeatC vinyls back in the day. SEB are the biggest offenders of destroying an Extended. but FUCK YOU AVEX becuase you couln't fool the real die hard collectors. Anyway, they also screwed with the original versions of songs from HRG Attack on those Eurobeat Flash albums. They changed the whole synth sound. Anyway, that's all I'm gonna say, before I really start getting upset. :evil:

These classics were raped on SEB cds.

Mega NRG Man - Dog Eat Dog
Frank Torpedo - Everybody's Dancing
Mike Hammer - Starfighter
De Niro - Out Of Control

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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by Lebon14 » 01 Mar 2018, 07:37

sethreed wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 20:09
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Recochoku Selling the Euromach one, in extended, 04:48, also in the vinyl (4:48)
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Juno selling the version used on Joy ParaPara DVD, I don't know where did they found it.

These two are named "Extended"
This was the prime exemple I had in mind. I talked to Stefano about it and he completely ignored it. I seriously don't know what's going on.
Another flagrant exemple is the upcoming "Rockin' Dome" by Van T.K. Eurobeat Kudos will be selling an edit with (extended) in the name. According to the Eurobeat Catalog, the extended is 4:50 and is present on DOUB 1120. But, Eurobeat Kudos sells an edit just shy of 4 minutes (3:50) and still names it an extended. However, most songs that will be sold on Eurobeat Kudos Vol.9+ will really be the longest version available.
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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by sethreed » 01 Mar 2018, 13:47

Lebon14 wrote:
01 Mar 2018, 07:37
sethreed wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 20:09
Image
Recochoku Selling the Euromach one, in extended, 04:48, also in the vinyl (4:48)
Image
Juno selling the version used on Joy ParaPara DVD, I don't know where did they found it.

These two are named "Extended"
This was the prime exemple I had in mind. I talked to Stefano about it and he completely ignored it. I seriously don't know what's going on.
Another flagrant exemple is the upcoming "Rockin' Dome" by Van T.K. Eurobeat Kudos will be selling an edit with (extended) in the name. According to the Eurobeat Catalog, the extended is 4:50 and is present on DOUB 1120. But, Eurobeat Kudos sells an edit just shy of 4 minutes (3:50) and still names it an extended. However, most songs that will be sold on Eurobeat Kudos Vol.9+ will really be the longest version available.
But, like Babyface, the version on Juno is the clearer one, higher pitch, like Touch Me Baby from Doctor Strange. And with more lyrics. Recochoku it's the extended version of the modified version for Euromach.

Now I'm kind sad and disappointed on this one, the Rockin' Dome it's just the same edit used on SEB Euromach SCP Collection.

The Vinyl one is this
A1 –Van T.K. Rockin' Dome (Extended Mix) 4:50

And I don't think it's Stefano/SCP fault. They just ripped the tapes and mastered it. I don't think if he remembers the version used on Vinyls. They don't name it "extended".
drnrg wrote:
01 Mar 2018, 06:39
Anyway, they also screwed with the original versions of songs from HRG Attack on those Eurobeat Flash albums. They changed the whole synth sound.
Can you give me a example? I didn't noticed that.

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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by Rain197 » 01 Mar 2018, 16:08

sethreed wrote:
01 Mar 2018, 13:47
drnrg wrote:
01 Mar 2018, 06:39
Anyway, they also screwed with the original versions of songs from HRG Attack on those Eurobeat Flash albums. They changed the whole synth sound.
Can you give me a example? I didn't noticed that.

youtu.be/q2Rh84GeKbw

Can't find the extended, but it's on Vintage Parapara Vol.1 and sorry for this video , this is the only one that include the introduction :D

youtu.be/yk4bvwVEEew

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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by sethreed » 01 Mar 2018, 17:10

I think it's just the same synths BUT different masterings.

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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by Markos » 03 Mar 2018, 16:32

Rain197 wrote:
01 Mar 2018, 16:08
and sorry for this video , this is the only one that include the introduction :D

youtu.be/yk4bvwVEEew
What in the blue blazes is that?! that is so weird hahaha

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Re: Why call "Extended" a song which isn't extended ?

Post by Rain197 » 04 Mar 2018, 16:22

Markos wrote:
03 Mar 2018, 16:32
What in the blue blazes is that?! that is so weird hahaha
It was the only video using the Para Para Vintage version :D

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