pokecapn wrote:synthjunkie wrote:the_ditz wrote:
Rhythm Of The Night was Corona, and has been covered by a couple of acts, but not Natalie/Cascada as far as I know. None of Cascada's tracks contain any "robotic rapping" (I'm assuming you're referring to the Real McCoy/La Bouche style 90's rapping? Maybe not, but that's what I'm assuming you're talking about. Cascada is all about showcasing Natalie's amazing vocals, nothing else!
Ok, Corona's "rhythm of the night" is a million times better than Cascada's. It's a shame she had to change her older eurodance style to fit more the american dance pop style....
So many of these pop songs are complete rip offs, either done with permission or without, of either italo melodies or eurodance songs.
some of the older ones even copy disco songs.
The biggest one I can think of is LMFAO and their song "party rock", the riff on that song sounds like a rip off of italian eurodance group "Cappella" and their song "tell me the way"song here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOGBbWu-gd4
Another biggie is how Annerly Gordon's eurodance project, whigfield, had a song called "Think of you" in the 90's, and was plagarized by UK boy band "One Direction" with their song "stole my heart."
On one brazilian "one direction" fan page, it states that whigfield is seeking damages for plagarism from One Direction.
http://onedirection.com.br/whigfield-es ... or-plagio/
link showing how both songs share the same melody in the lyrics during the chorus can be found here:
https://soundcloud.com/kevin-b-lling/on ... -whigfield
Nicky Minaj's song "pound the alarm" rips off the beginning riff from the piano riff off of belgiam eurodance group Cartouche's song "feel the groove."
Nicky Minaj - pound the alarm (instrumental version):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIussneMT6w
Cartouche - feel the groove:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOGBbWu-gd4
Drake feat. Rihanna - take care copies the piano synth from CeCe Rodgers - Let's join hands
song here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2AqGiX4F1I
Drake feat. Rihanna - take care:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zzP29emgpg
Lady Gaga's Alejandro rips off the beat from Ace of Base's - Don't turn around.
Madonna's song "girl gone wild" riff rips off of the riff from kylie minogue's "love at first sight", which itself is a rip off of the riff of an older song by italo legend "spagna" and her song "love at first sight" (notice the same title name)
spagna - love at first sight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuFA0-OlXhE
katy perry's california girls rips off some melody in the lyrics and song melody from clara moroni's eurodance project "antares" and her song "whenever you want me."
lady gaga's song "fashion" rips off the riff from "robert owens" and his song "i'll be your friend - glamorous mix"
robert owens - i'll be your friend (glamorous mix):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyOpccib2vw
and to top it all off, madonna, whom many consider the queen of pop, is nothing but a rip off queen herself. her most famous song that made her famous "holiday" is a complete rip off of the song released before hers called "happy days" by the disco funk group "north end".
Madonna - Holiday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE4hDrymvYw
North End - happy days (side a):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3avFRtT6SU
North end - tee's happy (side b) (this is the instrumental version of happy days):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRDUu96mzvw
eurodance group double you, who is producted by roberto zanetti, of italo-disco fame under his 80's name "savage" and produced artists such as Corona and ICE MC, had a song called "please don't go" in the 90's, which was copied in both melody and lyrics during the chorus by Tyler Merediros - Please don't go. This song was butchered to death.
Double you - please don't go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIAnkrPgTvY
Tyler Medeiros - Please don't go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp_y8wAczGI
i could go one and one comparing how today's pop music is just a rehash sound world of older tunes, and riffs...just in a much more boring way.
i understand that alot of eurobeat tunes too use samples, especially alot of the sounds from many Stock aiken waterman productions, but eurobeat never claims itself to be original, while these so called pop artists of today at times DO claim their fame for being original, and even have bitch fights about who made what song first (ahem, lady gaga vs. madonna) which is what does piss me off they don't give credit to where the credit comes from, in this case they are neither copying off either of them but another souce (ex. lady gaga's born this way is NOT a copy of madonna's "express yourself", but actually a song that predates madonna's called "libertine" by french diva "mylene farmer.") So in the end, the source copied by these pop artists tends to be from forgotten songs that more than likely, the average american listener would have no idea from where it samples from, plus the source tends to be songs that are way to old for the younger generation to have ever listened in their lifetime, so more chance that they wouldn't be able to pick out the "inspiration." Create controversy, sex, scandals, and use unknown samples which the general public couldn't pick out in order to sound "original" in order to create cheap music, which equals money and fame. That's mainstream music.
Mylene Farmer - Libertine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lqA_tod6qs
compare with: lady gaga - born this way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lqA_tod6qs
WARNING: mylene's video contains frontal nudity! lol
Sure, looping three notes that sort of sound like they have the same pitch and rhythm on a completely different synthesizer is plagarism, and no one should ever attempt to make any new music because it's all been done before, but what about the
true artists who developed the synthesizers and drum sequencers that make the the past 40 years of music possible? I think Moog and Kakahashi deserve writing credits on every song, to say nothing of their inspirations and the people who laid down their groundwork.
Actually, forget it. I'm sure all of these jerks ripped off the true geniuses who were composing Gregorian Chants 1500 years ago.
Other great composers who helped to pioneer the sound made on these machines include Vangelis, Giorgio Moroder, and Patrick Cowley.
Aside from this, Italo-disco IS the first completely electronic dance music genre that existed. Sure, there was disco which sometimes would blend synthesizers with real instruments. There was rock, which too at times blended real guitars with synths. There was new wave, which too at times had synths, but also real guitars. And there was classical and new age sounds by Vangelis, all on synthesizers, but they were not dance music.
None of these genres were completely DANCE orientated while also being COMPLETELY electronic at the same time.
What made Italo different from the rest was that while America wanted disco to be dead back in the late 70's, mostly because of intolerance towards disco at that time and the homophobia associated with dance music at the time, disco never died in Europe, and it became Italo-disco (sometimes produced by Italians, sometimes by Germans, or Dutch, and sometimes the Spanish), and it thrived in clubs all over Europe, especially Spain, Germany, Holland, Italy, and Greece.
During the early to mid 80's, some underground American producers, who wanted to create a music for the minority groups and places for them to hang out and be under one "house" (mostly for the homosexual and/or latino and/or black communities) who didn't want to fit into the mold of what was popular during that time: rock and american pop (which was a toned down version of italo-disco with more focus on the vocals rather than the melodies and synths), started to invent house (chicago house) and techno (detroit techno). House was using similar vocals to those from disco and soul music from the 70's, except it was fully synthesized. It was borrowing from disco's vocals and funk, and blending it with the synths used in italo-disco, and furtehr developed it with newer beats, kicks and drums. A further step down the road was freestyle music, which was a blend of house, latino, and italo sounds, embraced by the latino communities. While all this was happening underground, due to criticism from mainstream american pop and rock followers, Europe was re-inventing the disco sound with Italo-disco, fully synthesized, and at first much more mild and slow sounding, with influences of new wave added in.
The mainstream American music fans still wouldn't allow these sounds to be part of their mainsteam music, and continued to deny it until the recent boom in EDM up until the 2005-2006-2007 time. Sure, these was some eurodance here and there in the States, but it was never that big as it was in other parts of the world: Europe mostly, and big in Latin America, and in Japan. Bands such as Backstreet boys, New Kids on the Block were mostly the USA counter attack sound for the 90's for the North American market, instead of the more electronically fast paced eurodance/eurohouse counterparts popular in other parts of the world. Later entries using those sound influences into their music include artists such as Britney Spears and Madonna. They were all heavily infuenced by 80's freestyle sound, as well as disco, and italo disco.
Today's mainstream pop dance music has also many influences from Daft Punk, as well as some Italo dance artists such as Eiffel 65, which groups both focused heavily on the vocoder and auto-tune type of sounding vocals seen in so much of today's mainstream music. The vocoders were actually used quite a bit underground as well during the 80's by legend Giorgio Moroder, as well as some space synth groups such as Laserdance.
The whole history of electronic dance music is huge and very interesting. It really helps to open one's mind to the music that is around.
I am not telling anybody to not listen to whatever music he or she already likes, as that is his/her choice, but all I am saying is to try and looker a bit deeper rather than passing off some melodies as mere coincidences.
I personally don't like mainstream music because of:
1. it undermines the talent that is not mainstream, cool, or "in"
3. artists like to create controversy, and bitch fight, scandals, just making the viewer more interested in them, and to pity them, or sympathize with them when they are in fact not that different than any other human being (look at all the tabloids, and music talk shows, and hollywood/music themed reality shows, paparazzi related media, in where we tend to put these idols on pedastols above other human beings, which i think is not right)
4. many of these artists claim to be original, which is stupid to say, because nobody in essence is original anymore.
Yes, we can try and argue that everything stems from everything before it, which is true too to a degree, but there is a limit here, and the fact that we are solely just talking about ELECTRONIC DANCE MUSIC here, it is obvious that all forms of mainstream pop dance music played today have been either directly, or indirectly (at times unintetionally) influenced and at times sampled from these older genres of entirely electronic dance music: italo-disco or early house music, which in essence all stems from basic 70's disco and funk.
You might want to check out this great online guide to electronic dance music right here:
http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/
The Ishkur's guide was labeled on wikipedia as a "Hierarchical Organization and Description of Music Collections at the Artist Level" in the published report of the refereed proceedings of the 9th European Conference on Research and Advanced Technology for Digital Libraries, ECDL 2005, held in Vienna, Austria.
Mind you, I did find some errors/inconsistencies on it, in which I shall contact the maker of it to let him/her know. However, generally, I think it is pretty well laid-out.
It is an online database which lets you easily and quickly point and click onto every genre of electronic music that has ever existed, and provides instant explanations to the origins of each genre of music, and brief clips of samples songs of each genre, and is all laid out on a web-like chart, showing arrows as to how each genre influenced the next. It's a really brilliant site, which might helps those who don't know know much about the origins of today's dance music scene, and it's originators, and maybe to take some time to reflect the great people who influenced today's electronic music industry.
I recommend this database to everybody else on here who wants to better understand Eurobeat, and Italo-disco as well. You might discover some other genres of music you didn't know even existed. It's good to have an open mind in this day of age and be less desensitized by what is playing on popular radio stations, and try to understand the the huge "influences" of older music which has affected today's music, rather than passing them off as "coincidences."