Vadim wrote:UQ100 wrote:There is nothing really innovative in music, after all, at its core today's music is still based off Bach and Beethoven, what we like to hear is already discovered.
Eurobeat/Hi Nrg is part of a greater pop,and faithfully runs on that done'n'tried pop formula. What makes it so like exciting is the speed,energy,sound which move away from banality of contemporary realms into a different territory.
There are many ways to create energy, but all music works on the principles of running through tension/resolution to drag things along. (Tension can soon be understood by watching a "scary movie" and listening to a tense sound (chord) that keeps you on edge.) For this and other reasons (syncopation/anticipation, for instance) there is plenty of energy in a well written song. With the right arrangement you get an energetic result, with a bad one it falls flat, but simply having high bpm and hoping for energy gets you nowhere.
There are many "popular" (!=pop) songs today that are either badly written, or intentionally written not to be uplifting, ever since music for fun became "uncool".
Vadim wrote:
I actually love the idea of having trance melodies put into classic eurobeat arrangements(think SCP girl tunes!)
You mean stuff like Pamsy?
Vadim wrote:UQ100 wrote:
Most important thing to me, though, is a high quality song and production.
To me it's enough when producer can arrange and mix well enough to give a listener a very enjoyable arrangement and mix.
A little bit of something trancy or poppy isn't a problem,an obvious identity crisis is in progress for a HN/EB genre when records sound too much like trance or happy hardcore.
I think styles can be as much about values as anything, Eurobeat obviously differs in values from many other dance styles which came out of "DJ culture". If you copy those styles exactly, or don't integrate any "borrowed" parts, then you lose or dilute your own values and fail to differentiate from other styles.
Vadim wrote:Commercialism it'z. Dance music is not rocket science, it's a low budget way of production, any way u look at it.
High quality dance music may be no easier than most other styles of music, it may even be harder than most. Obviously costs are cut to the bone by using sequencing, looping over parts/vocals, and avoiding use of session musicians to the maximum possible extent (guitars?). However done properly it can exceed the quality much other music, at their peak SAW for instance managed high quality songwriting and production/arrangement quality on a consistent basis.
IMO the optimal commercial value is producing high quality music in volume at low cost. I don't think there is much commercial value to poor quality music and spending a fortune on marketing to sell, that's inefficient, but maybe some record companies don't get it. Certainly the major record companies have made a total mess of things to the point of destroying good music. (Since to them apparently entertaining music is crap anyway.)
Vadim wrote:When japanese labels want typical eurobeat to sound like million backs big american label production suites,it gets nothing short of rediculous.
They do...?
I've never noticed that irony. *pugera*
Ricky Martin actually has a pretty nice voice. He can sing in a low tone if desired. I don't think we could recognize his voice of the top. Mainly because we never think he would sing Eurobeat, but remember back in 1986 when even Elton John released a 12' of "I Don't Wanna Go On Like That" It had a very evident SAW sound.
