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To be honest I agree with the worldwide digital releases - I don't buy the CDs anymore because I can't be bothered to (I found the 190s so riddled with songs I hated that I gave up), so pick 'n' choose digital releases on iTunes/Juno would be far and away my preference now.

DarkSky

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Good going there guy. Like Zoupzuup said, read the thread before posting in it.

but from reading your response, I realize you are too political to run a record company. not alone a label. You need radical minds with big over the top ideas. Even your sleeves are too "Safe" the same image from the SEB cover. and with a big f+++king A for AVEX on it. Comon! You mean you wouldn't even give the labels the right to release the vinyls with thier own logos? Back in the day most sleeves used the collage effect. Esp TIME, The sleeves were meant to stick out, Grab your attention with the images and colours. One of the signs that vinyl went to s**T was when they started releasing 4 songs on one record. and under Avex logo. Honestly ,I think Disco Magic was the best Italo/NRG distributing label when it came to vinyls.

DarkSky

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1. Booklet: have fans submit different covers. the one that gets most votes online becomes the cover for the month. AVEX site would have a voting option.

Come on, you know this won't be possible. (Quality of images, payment, stock, etc..) and covers are easy to make. I'm sure Avex will never do such crazy things like letting fans make SEB covers.

The whole idea is to get AVEX to include the fans' input for the SEBs, thus making them more interested to actually buy the cds instead of pirating them. I thought you of all memebers would have realized this.

darksky

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3. CD: 14 extended tracks with the last two being iether an unreleased trax or a track that has not yet been released in extended. This comes from all Eurobeat cd like, SEB, EB Flash, Europanic, Euromach ect..Ex: Victoria- Love Rhapsody, Dusty- Nitemare. You get the piture.

Most of the ''unreleased'' songs we know aren't unreleased but rejected, this means that Avex hasn't got any license for the songs to publish them on a SEB CD. The track that has not yet been released in extended idea isn't very good either, because these are mostly getting released @ iTunes @ special collections.

Some are, not all.There are still 1000s of unreleased Eurobeat from the labels that hasn't seen the light of day. It would work, beacause not everyone wants digital mp3s. If an SEB was released with the extended version of Thomas Lee- Midnight or Tiger shark -Be One in tangeble form, shit; I'm preordering that.

Come on, now you're saying something that makes me really angry. Why should HRG and time always have at least 2 tracks? There is no good argument for that! :S What's wrong with you drnrg, you're not thinking realistically at all.

Well it's my cd. In my world there also doesn't always have to be 2 SCP and 2 AbeatC either. What's the logic in that

What a strange idea as well, the current fan made Eurobeat songs sound really bad and they are not professional at all (except for a few ones like Sugano's songs). Amateur sounding songs are no good for SEB, once again think more realistically because your ideas are really strange, this idea cannot be good for SEB.

I beg to differ. A while back Ditz and Zoup Zoup collaborated on a Ray Dynamo track and it souded quite professional to me. This is also a way to get the Eurobeat fans involved and battle the piracy issue. again, you are too political and afraid to take chances.
Allright I'll fix it for you, Fans submit thier Eurobeat song entry and AVEX chooses a label to remix it, so you get the professional sound you want.

darksky

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10. VINYL: this one is purly to boost the sales, which will already be huge if my format is followed, but I will bring back vinyl in a big way, with my images on the sleeves.

Vinyl ok, but promotional for Deejays only.
Avex needs to focus on younger fans, these people don't want to have vinyls because they can't play them. Your images on the sleeves? No.. we need a more fresh and modern look instead of a collage. Eurobeat has to become a genre that sounds FRESH, and it needs clean vinyl sleeves.. I prefer having vinyl sleeves that look like the SEB covers. Easy So just a model, gradient background, SUPER EUROBEAT on top or center. Vol. .... and that's all

havn't you ever heard of collectors? your sleeves is just the same SEB image. What an easy job you have. I always thought the vinyl sleeve should in some way connect the image to the song. Or at least be flashy. I think a Fastway vinyl should a photo of Enio, and so forth. You know back before all the photoshop software, record comapanies used to hire professional painters to paint the record sleeves. Tru story! Anyway, it's your cd, but I'm pretty sure mine would sell more

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Ricfiam wrote:I really don't understand people who like the 4 min edits instead of extendeds.

I guess the main, if not the only, reason why people prefer 18 radio edits is because there are more songs.

If you can purchase those radio edits in extended form elsewhere, why does it matter? The only reason you could still hate radio edits is because you probably can't purchase their extended form in "decent" quality (and, knowing you, that's probably it).

Yes you`re right, but... there are more songs? If you have read my post, I said there should be more/new series...

I now accept the fact this is a thread that I shouldn't take too serious because these are fan opinions.

But still... many ideas aren't realistically at all.
For example your idea drnrg, to let fans design SEB covers.
Avex has professional graphic artists who design these, they don't want fans to design their covers. Don't forget that Avex is a smart and professional company.

The only thing I want to respond on now is what you said about the vinyls..
These collages look too old-fashioned for a music genre like Eurobeat as it is right now... we need fresh looking covers, not too many colors and preferably 1 picture with a bit of text. This way you can make vinyls look attractive... about that big avex logo.. I think Avex has the right to do this, it's their music. The kind of vinyls you make are good for Italo Disco die-hard fans.. but not good for the new generation of Eurobeat listeners. They just don't look modern enough for young people...

DarkSky

But still... many ideas aren't realistically at all.
For example your idea drnrg, to let fans design SEB covers.
Avex has professional graphic artists who design these, they don't want fans to design their covers. Don't forget that Avex is a smart and professional company

You are kidding me, right? Those are the easiest covers to make.



DarkSky

we need fresh looking covers, not too many colors and preferably 1 picture with a bit of text. This way you can make vinyls look attractive...

O.K. here is the thing. If a fan allready has the cd with the extendeds, you as a label executive want o make sure your vinyls also sell. Putting the same picture as the cd as not good marketing. Another thing about vinyl was that it had those extra versions on it, like instrumental and last dee jay edit. Your vinyls have to offer something more than just the same extended form the cd allready has. Anyway,Take for instance pop cd singles. they almost never have the same image as the cd itself, otherwise why buy them? I'll admit that my style or older copllage style is way retro, but those old Italo sleeves are what made the collectores keep buying vinyl for years. If I already have the cd with the extendeds ,the only other reason I would purchase the vinyl would pretty much be for the image on the sleeve. That's why when you buy online vinyl, one of the big things is that they are in mint condition. Young people might want a fresh modern style ,like you said, but they are not dumb enough to spend another $15.00 for the same songs without anything new being offered in terms of vinyl single.

Honestly if I saw your vinyl cover for SEB 201 on the rack, I probly wouldn't pick it up. First It wouldn't grab my attention and second I would think it's just the same 14 songs from the cd ,but in vinyl form. I and probobly other diehard Eurobeat collectors would spend up to 100 dollars if each song had it's own sleeve. Lets see, 201...I liked about 7 songs from that cd. At 15 $s a pop, your companyand (Hopefully) the labels just made a pretty penny on royalties alone.

Anyway, by now you allready know the importance vinyl is to me, so that is why I took the TIME to get this accross to you.

What surprised me about your responce is this following quote.

DarkSky

about that big avex logo.. I think Avex has the right to do this, it's their music

...and there you have it. It's no longer the labels' music. It's AVEX's music. PRo AVEX all the way. I rest my case.

the_ditz wrote:But again, the full stand-alone track is what's important - there's nothing worse than trying to burn a compilation for your car only to find that you can only get "nonstop" cuts of the best songs - I gotta have a proper start and end!!)

Indeed. Also making mixes for parapara shows etc. is a lot easier when you have material to start and end with.

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This is my own experience, I let my friends listen to some experimental Eurobeat (for example Stephy's new song), they said: Hey that sounds quite good! I like it. Then I showed them some ParaPara.. and they were immediately like.. omg wtf is this :S:S:S ParaPara discourages them to listen to Eurobeat, that's why I no longer want to show my friends ParaPara videos.

It's better to focus on the music, without parapara it's also possible for the labels to go low-bpm, and that's something which is necessary to create new fans. Because most people don't like these speedy songs.

I will tell you one more time: this is MY opinion, and it's not meant to offend certain groups of people. Also don't take this as if it's coming from Dima Music, because other people there have a different opinion about this

Oh tsk tsk DarkSky...while I could take offense to the utter silly logic of your last post, I'll just make my point. While parapara is a funny kind of dance (coming from someone who does it), I've known many a people that get hooked to eurobeat/hyper techno/trance because of it. I know this is a eurobeat forum...I get that...people here sometimes don't get the connection between the two. I think parapara/techpara boosted sales of eurobeat/hyper techno (Gazen/Chozen Parapara & WLTP, anyone?).

And secondly, I know you weren't trying to offend when you said parapara is gay, but c'mon, man! Again, I know plenty of straight guys and girls that do it. So please don't start stereotyping a group of people as such. Hell, whatever can get people connected to the music we love.

I'll tell you once again, I don't want to offend anybody.
But all of the people who have been in my house and listened to some new Eurobeat said; hmm quite good, a bit fast though..
But all people who have been in my house and have seen a ParaPara video were like: eww what on earth is this.

I agree with you that ParaPara will boost the sales of Eurobeat and Hyper Techno (IN JAPAN & BRAZIL), BUT by changing a bit of the music you will boost them even more because then you will gain the attention of Western people.. Europe & USA

This is the way I see this...
But your opinion about this can differ, no problem I respect you and your opinions..

ok...i think i can reach accord here. I'm one of those people who is quite happy with the various sounds in eurobeat (ala disco-esque "I'm Alive", trancy Pamsy's "Dancin' Alone", etc.). As diehard of a fan as I am, I believe that broadening the sounds of eurobeat doesn't take away from its originality a bit, but just adds to it.

As for the community, I'm glad to see other countries (ie Brazil, Chile, UK, etc) heavily promoting eurobeat! I truly can never see eurobeat being mainstream and it most likely will cater to Japanese fans, but I'm glad just the same that we're all able to enjoy this music together.

DarkSky wrote:Personally (this is my opinion.. not Dima Music's) I think Parapara should be detached from Eurobeat. It's no good for people that are willing to listen to Eurobeat.. because Parapara looks very gay (sorry gay people, but this is just the truth.. this is not meant to offend people who feel attracted to people of the same gender) Straight people don't want to listen to a genre, that's connected to a silly dance (in their eyes it's silly and gay-looking).

This is a VERY bold statement to make, especially considering the majority of paralists in the world overall are straight. Since this is just your opinion, please don't generalize what you and your, I'm assuming, 16 year old group of friends think is "straight" or not. Heck the majority of people your age think everything is "gay" if it doesn't fit in to your definition of "cool". FYI, in some parts of the world, running around the city in Pacman costumes can be considered "gay" too, regardless of how awesome an idea it is.

DarkSky wrote:This is my own experience, I let my friends listen to some experimental Eurobeat (for example Stephy's new song), they said: Hey that sounds quite good! I like it. Then I showed them some ParaPara.. and they were immediately like.. omg wtf is this :S:S:S ParaPara discourages them to listen to Eurobeat, that's why I no longer want to show my friends ParaPara videos.

If Para Para is such a gay homo dance that turns people off to the music, stop ruining it for them by showing them Para Para.

DarkSky wrote:It's better to focus on the music, than trying to let Parapara be extremely connected to Eurobeat! Without parapara it's also possible for the labels to go low-bpm, and that's something which is necessary to create new fans.
Because most people don't like these speedy songs.

Sjoerd I believe you're the only one around here trying to "extremely connect Para Para to Eurobeat". As far as we can tell, apart from the Youtube channel, avex does not give a rats ass about Para Para anymore and it's connections to Eurobeat. Heck, even compilation series like D1 grand prix that have had accompanying Para Para DVDs for years no longer have one. Even if avex decides to start up another para boom, it would only actually matter in Japan, where it is NOT viewed as some homo dance. That being said, I fail to see the validity in your argument as people outside of Japan could enjoy Eurobeat without the gay homoness of it all.

Also BPM isn't much of a factor. The DJs in the clubs in Japan all pitch up Eurobeat to insane speeds anyways

DarkSky wrote:I will tell you one more time: this is MY opinion, and it's not meant to offend certain groups of people.

You say you don't mean to offend anyone, and I do believe you, but I'll be damned if a heterosexual adolescent 16 year old is going to dictate to me what is and isn't considered "gay". Not to mention you're assuming all straight people feel the same way about Para Para with your statements, yet if anything you've only offended all the straight people that DO Para Para. Your disclaimers up there address all us homos, but you're basically telling all the straight people that DO para that they look gay, by whatever your definition of "gay" is.

Long story short, an individual's sexuality does not have it's part in this conversation/debate and should be left out. Say Para Para looks silly and as one of the most active Para Para GEEKS out there I will 100% agree with you. Do not however say it looks "gay".

parapara originated from the Hi Energy dance style of the 80's. The dance was done a lot faster then parapara and it wasn't gay at all. Think the same hand movements ,but to the actual beats of the song.

Densetsu13 wrote:If Para Para is such a gay homo dance that turns people off to the music, stop ruining it for them by showing them Para Para.

That.

Also, I know you can't master parapara routines, but there's no reason to start blaming everything on parapara just because YOU can't do it. If done properly, parapara looks super awesome. Big groups of people doing the right movements at the same time is nowhere being gay.

As I and others said before, if parapara can get people to listen to (and buy?) eurobeat, then what is so bad about parapara? ;S

I'll just say whatever one has been thinking. DarkSky shut the fuck up already and stop dick riding Dima okay? It doesn't make you cooler or make us want to be your friends. Stop hating on parapara it honestly doesn't affect eurobeat that much. Go be a cocksucker somewhere else.

Javy

I'll just say whatever one has been thinking. DarkSky shut the fuck up already and stop dick riding Dima okay? It doesn't make you cooler or make us want to be your friends. Stop hating on parapara it honestly doesn't affect eurobeat that much. Go be a cocksucker somewhere else.

Oh My, I think you just gave lebon the go ahead to fuel this fire.