Avex Trax point of view in the early days

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[Crockett]

So as I confirmed, I divide fans not between better or worse, but only regarding historical conditions, how Eurobeat came to Japan at all, why there came and since when, how many international fans care of it. Music has been around before Eurobeat, incoherent comparison.

I don't understand why I shouldn't mention about japanese from the positive side, they enjoy the same passion and typical look at music, because they live on the main market... When others don't.

Eurobeat witnesses and suppliers of reliable informations and materials.

I'm just trying put myself as Avex Trax.

A japanese man goes to shop, takes CD and is happy, however he would love to participate in event etc. He enjoys many years released genre, CD series just because.

What you just present, somebody else before buying has already several problems, also another "bla bla bla" about the tracklist or the best, is a ParaPara routine or not...

Eurobeat is interpreted outside of Japan if not grotesquely, then colored, limited, wrongly judged, exaggerated or unknown, some fans won't pay for music, everything due to various reasons.

I'm convinced no one is obligated to say sorry to foreign small listeners base and change the rules of such specified, formed genre. I accept myself as the stranger.

Japanese don't feel comfortable in rush, they are modest community without unnecessary nerves, and for sure don't like incomprehensible requirements in publishing the music, so pretensions, regrets, because in Europe, in America this is normal or more internet life style.

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[magiblot]

I'm just trying put myself as Avex Trax.

A Western record company sees a demand in Japan and does everything possible to sell their music there, even offering it on the Internet.
That's capitalism.

A Japanese record company sees a demand in the West and refuses to release their music in the West, not even selling it on the Internet ..
ｗｈｙ ??

Japanese kiddo's are equally cringey as Western fandom .. they're just all on Twitter, Nicovideo, & 2chan ～

I do think the Japanese fan community is more important for Eurobeat than us. And I don't think it's just a matter of being a fan or not.

In first place, I think most of us can't realize how big and relevant to the sales the Japanese fanbase is because we are not among them or for whatever reason. Hence, at the time of reasoning about how Avex should do we easily make the mistake to think they are dispensable.

In second place, for a very long time Eurobeat has been designed for the Japanese audience, and to me this seems the actual reason why they are so important. I bet that even some of you who are arguing against Avex's policies would agree that if Eurobeat was to follow the demands of the western audience, it would get spoiled, not to say 'destroyed', pretty quick. I mean, things would be made different to the way that has resulted in the Eurobeat we love. Would you like Avex to advertise Eurobeat? Do you really want the artists to be told to make a more 'advertise-friendly' Eurobeat? Do you want Eurobeat to make an attempt to enter the western market? Can you imagine western commercial electronic music artists trying to mimic the Eurobeat style and having that thing being sold as the actual 'Eurobeat', or even having it recognized as it by the majority? Do you think the Italian SEB artists would keep producing Eurobeat if that happened? Don't you think this is what would happen?

[xiao]

　　

[magiblot]

I do think the Japanese fan community is more important for Eurobeat than us. And I don't think it's just a matter of being a fan or not.

In first place, I think most of us can't realize how big and relevant to the sales the Japanese fanbase is because we are not among them or for whatever reason. Hence, at the time of reasoning about how Avex should do we easily make the mistake to think they are dispensable.

In second place, for a very long time Eurobeat has been designed for the Japanese audience, and to me this seems the actual reason why they are so important. I bet that even some of you who are arguing against Avex's policies would agree that if Eurobeat was to follow the demands of the western audience, it would get spoiled, not to say 'destroyed', pretty quick. I mean, things would be made different to the way that has resulted in the Eurobeat we love. Would you like Avex to advertise Eurobeat? Do you really want the artists to be told to make a more 'advertise-friendly' Eurobeat? Do you want Eurobeat to make an attempt to enter the western market? Can you imagine western commercial electronic music artists trying to mimic the Eurobeat style and having that thing being sold as the actual 'Eurobeat', or even having it recognized as it by the majority? Do you think the italian SEB artists would keep producing Eurobeat if that happened? Don't you think this is what would happen?

This doesn't imply Avex shouldn't make it easier for foreigners to purchase Eurobeat, but it's a different thing from advertising and the idea of bringing Eurobeat outside of Japan. Confusing them looks like a great mistake to me.

Do you want Eurobeat to make an attempt to enter the western market?

Yes.
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If it goes mainstream, I've no problem with that ～ (´・ω・`) ♩

Think it twice, because the day it happens it won't be possible for Eurobeat to be enjoyed the same way as until now, or so I feel.

Well, maybe that's not the point, but at least many of us would feel bad at seeing Eurobeat being used in a stupid/disrespectful/heretic way. Like what's already happening with some memes. But imagining it happening at great scale seems terrible to me, since one doesn't usually find something as valuable as Eurobeat.

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[sethreed]

there is no more what japanese can do for us.

Wrong. This is the problem：

1. Fans discover Unreleased or Extended songs thru the internet, we then e-mail the Producers & Avex if they can release these songs in lossless .wav via the Internet, then they never respond or give us some blah blah blah BS answer, and nobody ever gets to buy those songs.

2. Avex doesn't let CD Japan stock their CD's anymore.

3. There is no difference between a Japanese fan and a Foreign fan, regardless where they live or how old they are. A fan is a fan. If you wanna make a distinction between fans and who gets to hear what, please get the Helsinki off my internet, because the Internet is (as the name implies) Universal.

That's it. Pirates shouldn't be acknowledged, cause they contribute nothing to the business of music. But if I'm willing to pay for music, you better be willing to sell it, or else ～ why are you putting music out in the first place？That's just counter logical elitism.

You say Eurobeat was around before we were even born, and it's true. But guess what, Music's been around before Eurobeat was made, so what's your point？

The fact of the matter is Avex doesn't care. So what's the point of stirring problems that have no foreseeable solution？

I struggled a LOT trying to write exactly what you said. I could kiss you if we weren't more than 1000km apart.

with that said i would add something here:

I know that some producers aren't willing to sell to the westerners. piracy still their biggest fear.

[Crockett]

I know that some producers aren't willing to sell to the westerners. piracy still their biggest fear.

So here we have an big argument what is a long term honest japanese buyer, who doesn"t ask about nothing more than interesting music and promotion. Stable loyal community and market is a dream of a musician. Eurobeat had this luck and you can see how many years survived.

About unreleased tracks, it's a curiosity, zero importance for sale, Eurobeat would still exist without digging them from copyrigths companies.

[xiao]

　　

[Crockett]

I think most of us can't realize how big and relevant to the sales the Japanese fanbase is because we are not among them or for whatever reason. Hence, at the time of reasoning about how Avex should do we easily make the mistake to think they are dispensable.

In second place, for a very long time Eurobeat has been designed for the Japanese audience, and to me this seems the actual reason why they are so important.

I bet that even some of you who are arguing against Avex's policies would agree that if Eurobeat was to follow the demands of the western audience, it would get spoiled, not to say 'destroyed', pretty quick. I mean, things would be made different to the way that has resulted in the Eurobeat we love.

Wonderful. Thanks for really smart, fresh, independent rate on this case from the other side !

Keep following using existing capabilities, because we would might be disappointed and miss original Eurobeat, exclusive for Japan, if it would be spread out on the Western markets. That's true.

Please remember guys, older fans were young too, in every country economical situation never been excellent for all groups at any time, and I can understand this as a human, but it can't be some public excuse for current generation, reason to turn Eurobeat upside down. Eurobeat would become caricatured as common, universal genre.

No doubts, that the availability of Eurobeat was better in recent over a dozen years, than in 90's for european fans, who anyway have managed to collect hundreds records.

If you will continue creating artificial problems, on what website order a CD, this will be constant grumble and anyhow nothing will change. Just respect how easier than once you can get Eurobeat from japanese.

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[Crockett]

There is no force which has resolved yet the affair of poor people.

Don't need to mention in what atmosphere has ended the last discussion about money with R. Gabrielli and when I agreed with him...

The same discussion would've never had a place between japanese. And brutally, this is it...

You always urge me to repeat myself as you haven't read carefully previous statements.

In ex-Jugoslavia has been war in 1991, but fans managed to buy records.

If non-japanese minority is going to begin arguing how bad life they have, simultaneously holding in hands iPhone or cigarettes, that's the way to nowhere...

Such discussion is pointless, artists and Avex Trax surely would like to stay away from similar problems, Japan guarantees them even small, however calm business.

It's brutal, but true.

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[sethreed]

Yes, the solution is to accept the reality.
Even if we need to spend 3x more money to buy the same CD.
Even if we need to use illegal methods like "faking address" and "ID" to buy on japanese-exclusive sites
And we need to be happy with this. Because we still have a chance to spend our money on a market that gives z-e-r-o importance to us.


I feel extra-terrestrial now. I disagree with the "brutal truth", it's non-sense.