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DJ Mike wrote:It is if you backtrace eurobeat to its very early days, but to be honest modern Eurobeat probably has more in common with house than it does with disco.

'House' is a blanket term which includes both Disco and Eurobeat.

House is a genre of music that more directly relates to the early techno music developed in... I think it was Detroit... too lazy to get my textbook. Apparently short for a danceclub called the Warehouse, where that style of music originated/popularized. Disco is seen to have evolved from House, especially when you look at songs like Donna Summer's "I Feel Love". But disco eventually grew into more soul and funk stylings, which led it to become more performance oriented than disco originally was, or was intended to be.

Mikaeru wrote:House is a genre of music that more directly relates to the early techno music developed in... I think it was Detroit... too lazy to get my textbook. Apparently short for a danceclub called the Warehouse, where that style of music originated/popularized. Disco is seen to have evolved from House, especially when you look at songs like Donna Summer's "I Feel Love". But disco eventually grew into more soul and funk stylings, which led it to become more performance oriented than disco originally was, or was intended to be.

Disco was started in the mid-late seventies and techno didn't come into true form until the late eighties... Chicago's the birthplace of house. They even have a 'House Music Day' in the city, to celebrate it.

House emerged more from the idea of "remixing" and so on, started when Frankie Knuckles (or so one "mythology" goes) created new versions for the dance floor by splicing tapes together. I think house is generally based around one chord, it's quite a lot different to eurobeat just for that reason. Often quite different drum/rhythm patterns. Tends to "recycle" old songs too with sampling. Todd Terry is pretty much what I think house sounds like... (e.g. "Somethin' Going On" [Feat. Jocelyn Brown and Martha Wash.])

Mikaeru wrote:I think it was Detroit... too lazy to get my textbook. Apparently short for a danceclub called the Warehouse, where that style of music originated/popularized.

Yep, Frankie Knuckles was a DJ at the Warehouse in Chicago.

Mikaeru wrote:Disco is seen to have evolved from House, especially when you look at songs like Donna Summer's "I Feel Love". But disco eventually grew into more soul and funk stylings, which led it to become more performance oriented than disco originally was, or was intended to be.

"I Feel Love" was a track that Giorgio Moroder used a lot of early sequencing on, "that" arpeggio... I'm not sure it's really disco though. But his later work, "What a Feeling" (Irene Cara/from the movie "Flashdance") moves more towards Italo-Disco style, I think?

With disco, the basslines (one example) are very obviously totally different to eurobeat, and usually played by a "real" player. Also, often a lot of rhythm guitar. I think Chic is benchmark disco material... (e.g. "He's the Greatest Dancer" or "Everybody Dance.") So yeah, not doing much research on the chronology, I'd guess that disco was first more, to put it that way, "soul/funk" in style.

Somebody took off Gino Caria off the artist area

I see the Sabi thing has been updated...

"Eurobeat is recognized not primarilly by its lyrics, but by its synthesized chorus known as the Sabi"

Hmm, it is the chorus or it is a bridge typically after the intro/each chorus? Since the chorus is typically sung?

That line probably needs to be changed to mention Eurobeat's almost unwavering approach to the "Preintro, Intro, AMelo, Bmelo, Sabi..." format.

Not every song is like that, but I'd have to say a good 99% of them are.

Cosmic_Bard wrote:That line probably needs to be changed to mention Eurobeat's almost unwavering approach to the "Preintro, Intro, AMelo, Bmelo, Sabi..." format.

Not every song is like that, but I'd have to say a good 99% of them are.

Isn't it more like:

Intro, Sabi, Verse (A-section), Pre-chorus (B-section), Chorus (C-section), Sabi, Verse (etc.)?

And BTW, I usually remember the chorus melody better than the Sabi, but it's definitely one of the hallmarks of Eurobeat! I love it.

(That is, unless I'm confused over what it is. Well, no, it would still be awesome, all of Eurobeat is awesome.)

I wanna know how someone got the name Salvatore Brandoni for Digital Planet. Whoever did it also put the alias "Spock" for Salvatore.

UQ100 wrote:

Cosmic_Bard wrote:That line probably needs to be changed to mention Eurobeat's almost unwavering approach to the "Preintro, Intro, AMelo, Bmelo, Sabi..." format.

Not every song is like that, but I'd have to say a good 99% of them are.

Isn't it more like:

Intro, Sabi, Verse (A-section), Pre-chorus (B-section), Chorus (C-section), Sabi, Verse (etc.)?

And BTW, I usually remember the chorus melody better than the Sabi, but it's definitely one of the hallmarks of Eurobeat! I love it.

(That is, unless I'm confused over what it is. Well, no, it would still be awesome, all of Eurobeat is awesome.)

I think those terms (intro-amelo-bmelo-sabi) might come more from the whole parapara thing. Generally what the paralists refer to those sections as, as well as the "Lesson Mode" in Parapara Paradise 2nd Mix.

Mikaeru wrote:I think those terms (intro-amelo-bmelo-sabi) might come more from the whole parapara thing. Generally what the paralists refer to those sections as, as well as the "Lesson Mode" in Parapara Paradise 2nd Mix.

Well, all those terms I used (including A-section, B-section) are used in general in music except for "sabi". Though the terms aren't exactly standardized, I guess the "sabi" might be called a bridge, it's similar to the instrumental "bridge" or what's sometimes called in the UK the "middle eight" found in a typical 3-4 minute song.

(Again, assuming I haven't confused what the "sabi" is.)

Anyway, I don't think it's the basic song section structure that's different about Eurobeat so much as having such the typical synth-brass instrumental, and having that section before the first verse.

It's not necessarily the song structure that differentiates it, but the song structure that defines it. While in usual pop songs the structure can be pretty loose, there are *very* few exceptions to the standard eurobeat format (unless you're SAIFAM, then just have fun with it). I'm not exactly well-versed, but the only non-SAIFAM examples I can really think of that come close are the recent SCP songs Just For Me and Music Come On, where the verse/amelo and the bridge/bmelo are nearly identical.

"Sabi" in parapara terms refers to the chorus. The terms aren't really standardised, I would think, but the parapara terms seem fairly rooted.

Mikaeru wrote:"Sabi" in parapara terms refers to the chorus. The terms aren't really standardised, I would think, but the parapara terms seem fairly rooted.

Hmm, then what does the Wikipedia entry mean by "synthesized chorus known as the Sabi"? since the chorus is, er, sung?

It seems to be confused, I think.

The (generally) 8-bar repeated instrumental section is known as the "intro" in parapara terms. Which does make talking about it in combination with the ACTUAL intro of the song a bit confusing.

What we'd consider the chorus is known as the "sabi" in parapara terms.

To some parapara people the intro of the entire track is usually referred to as the "pre-intro", as for me I call it the opening.