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Posted: **09 Jul 2017, 23:23**

magiblot wrote: 09 Jul 2017, 22:03This is what Manuel thinks about this issue:

Does he mean he doesn't like his songs under A.Beat-C. ?

Posted: **10 Jul 2017, 13:20**

Crockett wrote: 09 Jul 2017, 23:23Does he mean he doesn't like his songs under A.Beat-C. ?

He might be used to hearing "your old songs are ace, but the new ones suck". Since the new ones are totally (I think) produced by him, he must appreciate them the most.

Posted: **10 Jul 2017, 16:05**

magiblot wrote: 10 Jul 2017, 13:20He might be used to hearing "your old songs are ace, but the new ones suck". Since the new ones are totally (I think) produced by him, he must appreciate them the most.

Generally yes, however his quote from YouTube might be interpreted in a double meaning.

He sings Eurobeat 14 years total, including a few years of being fresh, young vocalist, for who the most experienced producers wrote the tracks.

Now being 33 years old, but cutting these years when he hasn't composed music, we may put him at the stage of Giancarlo Pasquini in the middle era of Aleph...

For addition he has no pressure, can't have any serious plans with Eurobeat as Avex Trax artist, he uses like never before the computer programs replacing all real studio plus small mixing home console, which help him make Eurobeat in several hours, if he only would want.

My conclusion, yes, this is why he can be innovative, take selfies on Facebook, in turn Sandro Oliva is present on the market since 1983 and his music was just serious Eurobeat, because that's the artist, who once must have spent days and weeks to finish a good song ...

It's also why Eurobeat is so trivialized nowadays, because everything is so easy and prepared for a closed little group of listeners. Manuel grows up as a new star, when forerunners become more boring. Perfect for our discussion, why Eurobeat lasts too long under the same name, and 4th or 5th generation of fans doesn't care much about the hardworking times of Eurobeat.

Posted: **10 Jul 2017, 17:52**

Posted: **10 Jul 2017, 18:16**

xiao wrote: 10 Jul 2017, 17:52Music's an expression of oneself, some people'll like it ＆ some people won't.

To not make confusion, I agree.

It's not my point. To gain renown as a musician, the more young as Manuel, isn't enough to have fast computer and implement to lyrics controversial, sexual context, of course first with technical knowledge in head, but anyway this is a huge logical convenience, a proof how horrible banal is producing electronic music today.

And regarding Eurobeat, a future vision of one, two songs with no rush, because Avex Trax maybe will release them in a next half of year, well that's a paradise, a quick way to be famous, being called innovative in eyes of not much demanding fans, except next the same piece.

Posted: **17 Jul 2017, 09:56**

Crockett wrote: 10 Jul 2017, 16:05
For addition he has no pressure, can't have any serious plans with Eurobeat as Avex Trax artist, he uses like never before the computer programs replacing all real studio plus small mixing home console, which help him make Eurobeat in several hours, if he only would want.

According to my experience even with the most modern computer programs you can't make Eurobeat in several hours. You can imitate the style of Eurobeat but that's all.
Manuel's songs are far too complex and well-arranged to be done in such a short amount of time. And as I know him, he doesn't dislike the old songs but he is bored of only being recognised by those songs because he has new songs he composed all by himself and seeks for recognition for those songs.
I can understand him but I also understand that the remaining Eurobeat “market” doesn't work like that.
That's also one reason I'm not so motivated to create new own stuff at the moment if for every new song you get two or three positive reactions, but also two people pissing on you because it's not exactly how they would have wanted it and the rest of people completely ignore you … well, it's no wonder Eurobeat is coming to a point where it's on the edge of becoming a discontinued music style.

Posted: **17 Jul 2017, 14:56**

Anthony McBazooka wrote: 17 Jul 2017, 09:56According to my experience even with the most modern computer programs you can't make Eurobeat in several hours. You can imitate the style of Eurobeat but that's all.
Manuel's songs are far too complex and well-arranged to be done in such a short amount of time. And as I know him, he doesn't dislike the old songs but he is bored of only being recognised by those songs because he has new songs he composed all by himself and seeks for recognition for those songs.

Thank you for some details, which help me express more what I want. The most important we needed to hear, whether he doesn't like at all the older stuff or just want to be recognised by Eurobeat composed by himself.

I always prefer not celebrities, but studio producers. And you have a bigger chance to be valued by me personally, just doing music, even it might be easier or even more banal work than once.

And stay modest, although the opportunities, the reality under Avex Trax might give you quick fame, not matter if fans are crazy about you, enjoy automatically any music until you provide news.

Posted: **18 Jul 2017, 02:26**

Anthony McBazooka wrote: 17 Jul 2017, 09:56
Crockett wrote: 10 Jul 2017, 16:05
For addition he has no pressure, can't have any serious plans with Eurobeat as Avex Trax artist, he uses like never before the computer programs replacing all real studio plus small mixing home console, which help him make Eurobeat in several hours, if he only would want.
According to my experience even with the most modern computer programs you can't make Eurobeat in several hours. You can imitate the style of Eurobeat but that's all.
Manuel's songs are far too complex and well-arranged to be done in such a short amount of time. And as I know him, he doesn't dislike the old songs but he is bored of only being recognised by those songs because he has new songs he composed all by himself and seeks for recognition for those songs.
I can understand him but I also understand that the remaining Eurobeat “market” doesn't work like that.
That's also one reason I'm not so motivated to create new own stuff at the moment if for every new song you get two or three positive reactions, but also two people pissing on you because it's not exactly how they would have wanted it and the rest of people completely ignore you … well, it's no wonder Eurobeat is coming to a point where it's on the edge of becoming a discontinued music style.

And you know, if Manuel wants to be recognized for his own productions, then why is he not putting independent tracks up on trackitdown or juno for people to buy (unless there is some contract obligation that says any track he makes automatically belongs to Avex)? Why is he not advertising his productions (I'm on his FB as well, and I can't think of any advertisement he does). Surly the tracks he makes for GoGo's Music aren't his only tracks.

Outside all of that, his older productions are top notch, simple as that. People want that sound, and he's not doing it, so either he adjusts his sound, or he continues making his current sound for a CD series only catered to what's left of the eurobeat crowd in Tokyo scene full of people who want the old sound, or at least SOMETHING energetic. Or, like stated above, start DJing parties, use your own tracks not licensed to Avex and other independent artists, get your name out there, and make your songs available via mp3 sites so a wider audience can hear his sound which might get the reactions he wants.

Posted: **18 Jul 2017, 06:48**

Bonkers wrote: 18 Jul 2017, 02:26
Anthony McBazooka wrote: 17 Jul 2017, 09:56
Crockett wrote: 10 Jul 2017, 16:05
For addition he has no pressure, can't have any serious plans with Eurobeat as Avex Trax artist, he uses like never before the computer programs replacing all real studio plus small mixing home console, which help him make Eurobeat in several hours, if he only would want.
According to my experience even with the most modern computer programs you can't make Eurobeat in several hours. You can imitate the style of Eurobeat but that's all.
Manuel's songs are far too complex and well-arranged to be done in such a short amount of time. And as I know him, he doesn't dislike the old songs but he is bored of only being recognised by those songs because he has new songs he composed all by himself and seeks for recognition for those songs.
I can understand him but I also understand that the remaining Eurobeat “market” doesn't work like that.
That's also one reason I'm not so motivated to create new own stuff at the moment if for every new song you get two or three positive reactions, but also two people pissing on you because it's not exactly how they would have wanted it and the rest of people completely ignore you … well, it's no wonder Eurobeat is coming to a point where it's on the edge of becoming a discontinued music style.
And you know, if Manuel wants to be recognized for his own productions, then why is he not putting independent tracks up on trackitdown or juno for people to buy (unless there is some contract obligation that says any track he makes automatically belongs to Avex)? Why is he not advertising his productions (I'm on his FB as well, and I can't think of any advertisement he does). Surly the tracks he makes for GoGo's Music aren't his only tracks.

Outside all of that, his older productions are top notch, simple as that. People want that sound, and he's not doing it, so either he adjusts his sound, or he continues making his current sound for a CD series only catered to what's left of the eurobeat crowd in Tokyo scene full of people who want the old sound, or at least SOMETHING energetic. Or, like stated above, start DJing parties, use your own tracks not licensed to Avex and other independent artists, get your name out there, and make your songs available via mp3 sites so a wider audience can hear his sound which might get the reactions he wants.

Well, there are contract obligations.

And for the rest, you have no chance to get Eurobeat on any stage or other live events in Europe. It's too experimental for mainstream events and too mainstream for alternative events – and there is nothing in between. I can imagine that it's different in North America.
He is pretty successful with other shows like his 80s covers or Queen covers. But I can imagine that it's frustrating if you're only successful with playing the work of others.

Posted: **18 Jul 2017, 07:27**

Posted: **18 Jul 2017, 12:39**

xiao wrote: 18 Jul 2017, 07:27
Crockett wrote: 17 Jul 2017, 14:56And you have a bigger chance to be valued by me personally, just doing music
I think Manuel's just tired of the stigma that comes attached to being associated with the old A-Beat-C, which in turn has become somewhat of a joke on internet culture, propagated by the Initial D anime and really sketchy memes kids are into nowadays.

They were good songs ～ s'just the internet somehow manages to kill everything thru those tasteless repetitions of art kiddo's call memes these days.

As a fan/follower/etc (hate those words) I procure to value people for being human beings, not by the music they make. ☆

Especially when people put videos on YouTube with Pictures of Hitler and dead Jews to the song Gas Gas Gas and think that would be funny.

Posted: **18 Jul 2017, 16:35**

xiao wrote: 18 Jul 2017, 07:27I think Manuel's just tired of the stigma that comes attached to being associated with the old A-Beat-C, which in turn has become somewhat of a joke on internet culture, propagated by the Initial D anime and really sketchy memes kids are into nowadays.

They were good songs ～ s'just the internet somehow manages to kill everything thru those tasteless repetitions of art kiddo's call memes these days.

Don't want to make offtopic or express a kind of regret, I personally don't lose anything, but where during one whole year are these hundreds of people follow memes, loudly declare how big fans they are, when artists share informations, news, memories on photos, when I use my fan pages to share the same things you will never see and find out anywhere else ?

And you wonder why artists f*uck promotion browsing these unofficial sites or checking how popular was the last Eurobeat post by themselves ?

I respect japanese for their loyality and huge interest, they appreciate all forms of Eurobeat stuff like nobody else, no matter old or newer, because they had this unique close touch with it, when others on their own wish get offal and memes.

Eurobeat is treated more and more as anonymous blunt entertainment generally worldwide. Nice to meet people who although don't share the same taste, but at least real love to pure music, also here.

Posted: **18 Jul 2017, 22:30**

TBH, not sure what you're going on about with the Japanese fans vs the world fans premise. Are you saying that Japanese fans are more dedicated than other fans? I bet if we look at sales numbers you're probably right since Avex and other companies promote eurobeat strictly within Japan.

Posted: **18 Jul 2017, 23:17**

Posted: **18 Jul 2017, 23:32**

para_rigby wrote: 18 Jul 2017, 22:30Japanese fans vs the world fans premise.

since Avex and other companies promote eurobeat strictly within Japan.

That's correct. I mean the specific image of hundreds fans nowadays on the internet, social media, where private supporters, artists spread as much is possible, what already left Japan, Italy and isn't a secret, unachievable.

I said this in the thread "Avex Trax point of view in the early days". What for japanese is addition, ParaPara or Anime, for too much of international fans is the only one image of Eurobeat, now including memes.

So anyway, my experiences so far give me an opinion, that japanese even being dedicated community, can enjoy same music, souvenirs and look at artists on different way, let's say, not through the prism of their culture as is doing worldwide.

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