Super Eurobeat 209

[thejti]

The thought of Jager's vocals blasting from my speakers on repeat for hours really troubles me (seriously, he sounded okay in I Won't Fall Apart, but he sounds like a dalek mixed with kermit the frog who's found the vocoder software on this new song).

Lol. I (obviously) can't get enough of his voice; he sounds so delicious, even more so than in I Won't Fall Apart. I haven't even gotten around to the rest of the album yet.

I do worry about my fiance.... He doesn't look amused at having been forced into listening to What D'You Want from Me for the past 4 and a half hours, though I did catch him tapping his foot to beat several times. I think he'd strangle me if he didn't love me so much.

I agree with you whole heartedly with the Jager song. It definitely is the best Eurobeat song this decade with the only song that comes close to it being the other Jager song. Evelina said they're trying to give Eurobeat a new identity and give it new elements that aren't typical Eurobeat. They don't want to be doing the same thing over and over again.

[para_rigby]

I think it's marvelous how we're getting some new sounds in the eurobeat world. Old school people will probably hate it, but remember that time when people here hated the trance sounds from the 150s-160s with Pamsy and the like? We got over it. I just love that with each decade of albums, eurobeat is moving in a new direction.

[the_ditz]

I think it's marvelous how we're getting some new sounds in the eurobeat world. Old school people will probably hate it, but remember that time when people here hated the trance sounds from the 150s-160s with Pamsy and the like? We got over it. I just love that with each decade of albums, eurobeat is moving in a new direction.

Not too sure that drnrg would agree with you regarding the "trance" sounds. And also, the 200's have been the first decade since the 150's not to feature a new Pamsy song. I worry that SCP have abandoned her

A moment's silence please for my beautiful goddess of Eurobeat...

[Jay]

And also, the 200's have been the first decade since the 150's not to feature a new Pamsy song. I worry that SCP have abandoned her :(

Wha? There were three new Pamsy songs released in the 150s: 'Livin' in the Night', 'Hello' and '2Love, 4Love'.

[thejti]

JTI's Review Of 209 Part I

1. Go 2 - Samurai Blue 4/5

The power style of Go 2 comes in slower than what most people are accustomed to and the theme is really odd at this point in time. This would have been a perfect song to release near the start of the year to coincide with the World Cup much the same way they did with "Super Striker". As it is, the song is pretty good but much like "Power", Fastway completely dominates the song with very little solo parts for Ace. Not an instant hit, but a very good song that could have some life on Super GT, Initial D, or soccer/futbol albums should Avex do one again sometime soon.

2. Mari-San - Change 5/5

The speed of the song is absolutely perfect with great singing. Mari-San reminds me of the powerful vocals a lot of 90's Eurodance female singers had. The only thing I have against this song isn't the song itself but I hope they (GoGo's) do release another Hyper Techno style song like "Secret Destination". The feel, power, and production of this song are all top-notch and an absolute blast to listen to.

3. DJ Moonraker - Bad (The Energy Mix) 4/5

The song is very interesting. With a Italo-Disco muted percussion background mix with typical SAIFAM-Eurobeat instrumentation, they do represent Michael Jackson pretty well. The faults the song have however include a hard translation from the pop song to the Eurobeat style. The singing is very convincing. Perhaps slowing the song another few BPMs would help the song overall, but as it is, it's a pretty strong package.

4. Manuel - Mad Man 3/5

I'm torn on this song. The singing, guitar-work, chorus are all cool, but the synth hook is seriously missing that last spark that I feel would benefit this song. It definitely feels like a Manuel song which is a good thing, but I can't give it higher than 3/5 due to feeling like it's not complete. I can see a lot of people enjoying it because of the very "Manuel" package it is.

5. Ken Blast - New Horizon 5/5

Hard to argue with pure Eurobeat. I realize now why I like Capaldi so much; his style is very much a mixture of Newfield and Sinclaire. If you were to take both of their contemporary "sound worlds" and mix them, you would probably come up close to the sounds Capaldi uses. The singing is spot on, the song just has so much energy, and it's a blast to play. I definitely see a potential parapara hit here and plenty of Initial D/Super GT exposure.

6. Momo - One Heart One Soul 3/5

I was flip flopping on this one. I wanted to give it a 4 out of 5, but the chorus feels a little recycled which is why I had to dock it a point. The vocals are pretty good actually and I still feel that her vocals sound a lot like Clara Moroni. It'd be interesting to see Sinclaire produce a song or two for the artist. The problem I have with the chorus is that "One Heart One Soul" are repeated way too much. It also feels a little too fast for the style they were going for. This song is very Pamsy-ish too which is very cool.

7. Mega NRG Man - Japanese Girl 2/5

I hate doing this, but this song is a big disappointment. It feels like "Stop City Lover" lite. The blending of Oliva with a Dima style progression in the synth hook doesn't work. Domino's background vocals are the strongest part of this song. Interesting but forgettable.

[drnrg]

the_ditz

Not too sure that drnrg would agree with you regarding the "trance" sounds.

No! Not at all, but I did warm to the techno-ish intros TIME and AbeatC would use in the 1990s

[jeurobeat]

I don't agree either. I like changes in sound, but only for the good. I think those trance sounds and now the pop-Jager sound aren't the way to go. Any producer is free to create non-eurobeat ofcourse, but it should be released on a different compilation then (Super Trance or Super Pop Songs). Why put it on SEB only because it is produced by the same people?

To me, 209 is the most disappointing SEB volume ever. At least I should congratulate Cy-Ro because he delivers a great song with Rainy Days! Tora and Ken Blast are listenable as well, but that's about it. I don't like any of the other songs.

[WNight]

I don't agree either. I like changes in sound, but only for the good. I think those trance sounds and now the pop-Jager sound aren't the way to go. Any producer is free to create non-eurobeat ofcourse, but it should be released on a different compilation then (Super Trance or Super Pop Songs). Why put it on SEB only because it is produced by the same people?

To me, 209 is the most disappointing SEB volume ever. At least I should congratulate Cy-Ro because he delivers a great song with Rainy Days! Tora and Ken Blast are listenable as well, but that's about it. I don't like any of the other songs.

I'm not in the least bit surprised about you liking Rainy Days and disliking everything else. From what I can see about your posts on this forum, you seem like the type of old school lovers that don't like the new sounds being introduced just like what para_rigby has said. Songs like TMOS or HTSIS would probably fit right up your alley while songs like What D'you Want From Me or I Won't Fall Apart will probably be anathema to you,

[drnrg]

jeurobeat

I don't agree either. I like changes in sound, but only for the good. I think those trance sounds and now the pop-Jager sound aren't the way to go. Any producer is free to create non-eurobeat ofcourse, but it should be released on a different compilation then (Super Trance or Super Pop Songs). Why put it on SEB only because it is produced by the same people?

To me, 209 is the most disappointing SEB volume ever. At least I should congratulate Cy-Ro because he delivers a great song with Rainy Days! Tora and Ken Blast are listenable as well, but that's about it. I don't like any of the other songs.

You & Me are from a different era. Rainy Days takes us back to that Italo era. I have always had my eye on HRG Attack and I'm estatic they have chosen the Italo road for for some of their latest productions.

As for your comment ; I'll just add that even Newfield release a different compilation not too long ago called Eurobeat Pop for his poppy sounding Eurobeat and frankly some of those songs would be better suited for SEB than pop-Jager.


WNight

I'm not in the least bit surprised about you liking Rainy Days and disliking everything else. From what I can see about your posts on this forum, you seem like the type of old school lovers that don't like the new sounds being introduced just like what para_rigby has said. Songs like TMOS or HTSIS would probably fit right up your alley while songs like What D'you Want From Me or I Won't Fall Apart will probably be anathema to you,

It's not so much that we don't like the new sounds, because I kinda really like the new sounds Dima is using, it's more the fact that ; I for one, don't want Eurobeat to lose it's identity. By that I specifically mean The traditional Eurobeat structure. Something that Jager song barely features.

[DarkSky]

jeurobeat

I don't agree either. I like changes in sound, but only for the good. I think those trance sounds and now the pop-Jager sound aren't the way to go. Any producer is free to create non-eurobeat ofcourse, but it should be released on a different compilation then (Super Trance or Super Pop Songs). Why put it on SEB only because it is produced by the same people?

To me, 209 is the most disappointing SEB volume ever. At least I should congratulate Cy-Ro because he delivers a great song with Rainy Days! Tora and Ken Blast are listenable as well, but that's about it. I don't like any of the other songs.

You & Me are from a different era. Rainy Days takes us back to that Italo era. I have always had my eye on HRG Attack and I'm estatic they have chosen the Italo road for for some of their latest productions.

As for your comment ; I'll just add that even Newfield release a different compilation not too long ago called Eurobeat Pop for his poppy sounding Eurobeat and frankly some of those songs would be better suited for SEB than pop-Jager.


WNight

I'm not in the least bit surprised about you liking Rainy Days and disliking everything else. From what I can see about your posts on this forum, you seem like the type of old school lovers that don't like the new sounds being introduced just like what para_rigby has said. Songs like TMOS or HTSIS would probably fit right up your alley while songs like What D'you Want From Me or I Won't Fall Apart will probably be anathema to you,

It's not so much that we don't like the new sounds, because I kinda really like the new sounds Dima is using, it's more the fact that ; I for one, don't want Eurobeat to lose it's identity. By that I specifically mean The traditional Eurobeat structure. Something that Jager song barely features.

It's time for the new Eurobeat era

[para_rigby]

Drnrg, wouldn't you agree that Eurobeat doesn't the same as 10 years ago? Or 20 years ago? There are some fundamental basics that Eurobeat has adhered to, but the sound worlds have changed for better or for worse.

[Vadim]

One thing is when new elements can be incorporated in a creative and subtle way into an existing framework and sounds of the classic eurobeat.

Breaking the foundation of a style with a hammer by putting too much of an alien stuff in it is quite an another...here we have a problem, indeed.

Keep fake eurobeat off SEB..!!

[the_ditz]

And also, the 200's have been the first decade since the 150's not to feature a new Pamsy song. I worry that SCP have abandoned her :(

Wha? There were three new Pamsy songs released in the 150s: 'Livin' in the Night', 'Hello' and '2Love, 4Love'.

I wrote the wrong decade. I meant that since Pamsy made her debut in the 150's, she has had a new song featured on at least one release every decade since except for the 200's which was sadly completely devoid of any glorious Pamsy goodness. I despearately want to hear those 4 unreleased tracks listed on ASCAP that either Avex rejected or SCP never bothered submitting...any chance of that in the future dya think?

[drnrg]

para_rigby

Drnrg, wouldn't you agree that Eurobeat doesn't the same as 10 years ago? Or 20 years ago? There are some fundamental basics that Eurobeat has adhered to, but the sound worlds have changed for better or for worse.

I agree with you here and this decade more than others. produced some songs that would sound perfect in the company of those songs from 10 to 20 years back as well. Go Shinkansen, Take This Way, Jungle Of Fire, even songs like Rainy Days sound great side by side with 80s Italo
, but when a certain Jager song comes along that barely passes as Eurobeat, it just completely throws one out of their Eurobeat zone...and that is not good.

and in perspective that Jager thing isn't all that. Some of you aready went as far to compare it to radio pop, which for me is the easy road to selling music. He even sounds like he used autotune; that travesty that has been introduced to the musical world, that now even Rock acts are using. I won't go too much into that, cuz I'm not 100% sure if other Eurobeat vocalists use it as well, but it's sure sounds evident in Jager. Anyway, there's nothing new going on in Whadya Want From Me and it was probobly alot easier to produce, since it featured a lot less soundworlds. That for me, is the smell of a cheap & easy production; or for a lack of a better word, sellout.

Now what HRG Attack and AVEX are doing by reintroducing the new generation to the old Italo sound is what I conseder a fresh idea. For two generations of old and new school Eurobeat , to come together under the sounds of the tru roots of Eurobeat is a great achievement. I also won't go too much into this, cuz I'll end up writing a book on the subject, but for me, it's one of the freashest ideas to come along in many years.

,but trying to make music that just sounds like today's radio pop; IMOP, is not the way Eurobeat should progress and might even scare off some of the older listeners; which still make up a fraction of Eurobeat fans.

but hey, like I said, this is my opinion and I don't expect anyone else to share it, but ,hey, at least this decade offered something for all old and new school Eurobeat fans to enjoy.

Darksky

It's time for the new Eurobeat era

ermm..., no, your not leading some crusade to try and change Eurobeat overnight. .It's just not gonna happen and could have serious side effects

[jeurobeat]

I'm not in the least bit surprised about you liking Rainy Days and disliking everything else. From what I can see about your posts on this forum, you seem like the type of old school lovers that don't like the new sounds being introduced just like what para_rigby has said. Songs like TMOS or HTSIS would probably fit right up your alley while songs like What D'you Want From Me or I Won't Fall Apart will probably be anathema to you,

You are right that I am old school. I have been listening to thousands of eurobeat songs since the beginning of eurobeat. Because I listened to (and liked) so many songs already, not all new songs appeal to me. But that doesn't mean that I only like the old sound. For example, I like David Dima's Crazy a lot.

As I just wrote in the FUTURE OF EUROBEAT topic, I'm not against new sounds. On the contrary, I would love to hear some new and refreshing sounds! Unfortunately, I don't hear them. The songs with these so-called new sounds are just like the pop songs I hear in the local stores! And they don't play SEB there.

The problem I have with 209 is twofold. The songs with a traditional eurobeat style are not appealing enough, and the ones with the 'new' sounds are pop songs. The other 20x volumes feature some songs I like a lot. 209 doesn't, and that's why I see this as the all time low.

,but trying to make music that just sounds like today's radio pop; IMOP, is not the way Eurobeat should progress and might even scare off some of the older listeners; which still make up a fraction of Eurobeat fans.

Indeed. As I said before, labels can produce whatever style they like, but I don't see the point in calling it eurobeat, and put it on SEB.