Super Eurobeat 197

Nine · Post by **Nine** » 11 Apr 2009, 15:04

I'm sorry, I am not too impressed with AVEX myself and they have done some things that I haven't agreed with and that have angered me, but I won't be bothering to visit these forums anymore if this boycot AVEX bullshit continues.

Yes, we are unhappy about the next few albums being non-stop, but you know what? GET OVER IT. Do you want to buy the SEB albums over iTunes? Buy a Japanese iTunes gift card. Buying Eurobeat is not that difficult, and it's not that expensive either. (Of course you're paying more for a CD than you would in a walk in store, you're importing something from another country.) Plus, if you're hell bent on the fact that it's oh-so-difficult to purchase this stuff because AVEX is limiting their market to Japan - stop whining and either try harder, don't listen to it or pirate it.

Like it or not, Eurobeat is too obscure of a genre to be successful without the aid of AVEX. Like it or not, they will make the business decisions and release this music how they deem fit. Most of us have what, 5 or so years dedicated to listening to this genre? AVEX has decades on us, and they publish it. I would like to think they know a thing or two more than us (especially since they've kept this compilation running for nearly 200 volumes, plus countless other releases based around this genre.)

Everyone's assumptions are based on just that - assuming things. You all get a few bits of information and form a scenario that is most likely untrue. Come give me a valid argument to why AVEX shouldn't be doing what they are doing after you have concrete facts.

the_ditz · Post by **the_ditz** » 11 Apr 2009, 15:22

Nine wrote:Everyone's assumptions are based on just that - assuming things. You all get a few bits of information and form a scenario that is most likely untrue. Come give me a valid argument to why AVEX shouldn't be doing what they are doing after you have concrete facts.

The fact that they have made it so difficult to obtain the tracks digitally is a fair enough reason to complain in my eyes. In the 21st Century, I find it difficult to understand why Avex are reducing their means of digital downloading for the world.

I don't completely agree with the whole boycott Avex anarchy that is taking hold as they are my only means of accessing the music I love for the most part, but I am annoyed that they are closing themselves off to the wider audience.

It won't stop me supporting the genre and I do intend on filling my bag with loads of Super Eurobeat CDs when I'm in Tokyo next month. I look forward to the day that we see more extended version albums again...

Javy · Post by **Javy** » 11 Apr 2009, 16:38

Just notice its always the same people who are bitching and moaning no matter what Avex does. Avex could give out master copies and they'd still find a reason to bitch and moan. I'm with Phil, if this cry baby wah wah attitude continues I'm out of here.

zoupzuop2 · Post by **zoupzuop2** » 11 Apr 2009, 16:49

Those defending the nonstops...

...actually have a good point. Wasn't it about time, anyway? They went a VERY long time without them, and to be honest I enjoy a nice Nonstop every so often, so what difference does it make if they do one now? If I want the extendeds, I'll ask for them from the labels (offering pay of course).

I'm not all too fond of Avex's previous motions, but Nonstops are not the end of the world. Really.

Last.fm · Post by **Bore** » 11 Apr 2009, 17:30

The constant posts of being unhappy no matter what happens isn't exactly a huge plus for the situation. It's obvious that if you don't like the situation nobody is forcing you to buy the albums, but why the need to get others on the same boat? Seriously go look in the mirror if you have the need for the whole world to think like you.

I for one am going to get the albums either way, nonstop or not. And quite frankly it is really tiring to see the same whining happen over and over again. Sheesh.

Lebon14 · Post by **Lebon14** » 11 Apr 2009, 18:12

I think I can explain myself again seeing a couple of party pooper.

Reasons to whine :
1. Avex is killing the genre by limiting digital downloads.

2. Not being happy about fact #1, Extended lovers (such as me) gets 4 nonstop in a row. New material is very limited and butchered in a mix.

3. For those that has a HUGE collection of bought CDs, SEB 197 is full of re-release with only 13 new tracks in nonstop version version. Much more expensive in that case.

4. What does the labels thinks of those nonstop change to the compilation? I think they aren't too happy about it.

5. If a lot of non-japanese people were buying through mu-mo to get there song, and now with the fact of #1, ren't doing it anymore. Thus, the labels gets even less money.

6. Of course, importing cost much more money and it's not everyone that has that money every month to get either physical or Japanese iTunes cards.

Reasons not to whine :
1. A megamix once in a while is not that bad.

2. It's a chance to get the real copies; have the real thing.

3. By doing #2, you care about the labels by not boycotting.

4. Even if you're not doing #2, there are other way to get around and listen to it.

Post by **SuperEuroJimmy** » 11 Apr 2009, 21:03

I'm completely with Phil, Javy and Panu here. Stop your childish behaviour! >: (

DJ Mike TJG · Post by **DJ Mike TJG** » 11 Apr 2009, 22:58

Or perhaps you should just accept that some of us have a very strong opinion that happens to differ from yours.

If you don't happen to agree with our stance on what Avex is doing to Eurobeat, then fine.

But saying:

a) That we should just go away and be quiet
b) That we're being childish
c) That you'll stop visiting these forums if we take an active and visible stance against Avex

Is itself far more childish than anything you accuse us of on our part.

For my part I've given you some very detailed criticism of what Avex is doing, as have several others in this thread. We've made our case very enthusiastically and with considerable thought.

If the best you can do is throw a tantrum because you don't like what we're saying, then I think you should take a look in the mirror before accusing us of childishness.

If you want to argue constructively against all the points laid out by the opponents of Avex, I welcome the debate. I think it's important that people argue both sides of a point, then those who are undecided can make up their own minds.

But if all you want to do is attack us for being silly and childish, then I have no respect for you.

Think carefully.

DarkSky · Post by **DarkSky** » 11 Apr 2009, 23:03

DJ Mike TJG wrote:Or perhaps you should just accept that some of us have a very strong opinion that happens to differ from yours.

If you don't happen to agree with our stance on what Avex is doing to Eurobeat, then fine.

But saying:

a) That we should just go away and be quiet
b) That we're being childish
c) That you'll stop visiting these forums if we take an active and visible stance against Avex

Is itself far more childish than anything you accuse us of on our part.

For my part I've given you some very detailed criticism of what Avex is doing, as have several others in this thread. We've made our case very enthusiastically and with considerable thought.

If the best you can do is throw a tantrum because you don't like what we're saying, then I think you should take a look in the mirror before accusing us of childishness.

If you want to argue constructively against all the points laid out by the opponents of Avex, I welcome the debate. I think it's important that people argue both sides of a point, then those who are undecided can make up their own minds.

But if all you want to do is attack us for being silly and childish, then I have no respect for you.

Think carefully.

Amen.

I just soo agree with you and Lebon

#Infinity · Post by **#Infinity** » 11 Apr 2009, 23:24

DJ Mike TJG summed up pretty much exactly how I feel about the debate. I'm trying hard to stay positive about the eurobeat situation (after all, I can still buy SEB albums from cdjapan, even if they aren't extended), but while I can understand why Avex would do a lot to try to retain eurobeat's popularity in Japan (after all, that is the major audience that they're targetting, as much as I'd like eurobeat to greatly spread overseas), I do think that they're taking things a little too far in how they're making it increasingly more difficult for overseas fans to purchase the genre when such restrictions really aren't necessary.

I don't really want to be particularly involved in this discussion, but I do agree that it would be far better for the community to constructively respect and understand each other rather than insult each other because they don't have the same perspective about the subject.

MAtRiCks · Post by **MAtRiCks** » 11 Apr 2009, 23:56

This is SEB197 thread, not OMG AVEX IS EVIL thread.

The forthcoming SEB non-stops starting with 197 aren't fundamentally bad, and have an excellent reason to be non-stops. They are part of the recap for the forthcoming boom and coming of SEB200. Did you see the covers? It's not just the next SEB like usual... It's the road to SEB200.

We should get this whole AVEX hate discussion somewhere else, because it's getting ridiculous.

drnrg · Post by **drnrg** » 12 Apr 2009, 00:23

#Infinity

DJ Mike TJG summed up pretty much exactly how I feel about the debate. I'm trying hard to stay positive about the eurobeat situation (after all, I can still buy SEB albums from cdjapan, even if they aren't extended), but while I can understand why Avex would do a lot to try to retain eurobeat's popularity in Japan (after all, that is the major audience that they're targetting, as much as I'd like eurobeat to greatly spread overseas), I do think that they're taking things a little too far in how they're making it increasingly more difficult for overseas fans to purchase the genre when such restrictions really aren't necessary

Really not too much to add to the debate. That's mainly my beef as well and I don't think That I have to be forced to buy Japanese itunes card just to have AVEX think they have control over me. They don't! I want options.
I'm actually quite intruiged about the old school Eurobeat sound that is roumored to return after SEB 200. That I'm looking forward to.

I'm not into the boycotting thing. As it is I've never purchased nonstops aside from a few Euromachs, so I don't fall into that catagory. Hell if the track TIMEs are long enuff I might even create my own extended version of the songs. I did it for Cruise 009- Mission Impossible and I few others. I'll get my extendeds one way or another.

...and darksky, those are nice banners, but I don't think I'll be posting any , maybe the "We care about the labels "one

Lebon14 · Post by **Lebon14** » 12 Apr 2009, 01:15

DJ Mike TJG wrote:Or perhaps you should just accept that some of us have a very strong opinion that happens to differ from yours.

If you don't happen to agree with our stance on what Avex is doing to Eurobeat, then fine.

But saying:

a) That we should just go away and be quiet
b) That we're being childish
c) That you'll stop visiting these forums if we take an active and visible stance against Avex

Is itself far more childish than anything you accuse us of on our part.

For my part I've given you some very detailed criticism of what Avex is doing, as have several others in this thread. We've made our case very enthusiastically and with considerable thought.

If the best you can do is throw a tantrum because you don't like what we're saying, then I think you should take a look in the mirror before accusing us of childishness.

If you want to argue constructively against all the points laid out by the opponents of Avex, I welcome the debate. I think it's important that people argue both sides of a point, then those who are undecided can make up their own minds.

But if all you want to do is attack us for being silly and childish, then I have no respect for you.

Think carefully.

Amen dude!

Brisk · Post by **Brisk** » 12 Apr 2009, 02:27

So much QQing in this thread its really annoying now. Like Nine said, buying the songs really isn't difficult now. Hello, Music Ocean? Buy your songs there now instead of bitching about nonstop only.

thejti · Post by **thejti** » 12 Apr 2009, 02:47

That is true. I'm sure the music will be available in extended on music ocean.

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