Posted: 10 Nov 2010, 23:53
The problem with a lot of what you guys are saying about it not sounding like Eurobeat is that this is the same argument people WAY back when were upset that they changed the sound from Italo Disco to old school Eurobeat (SEB 1-39ish). People left the genre IN DROVES!! It's almost as if this is a repeat of that time. If you guys want the same sound or style, look at this, those songs that have the same style are simply not attracting listeners. I listen to Take This Way, for example, and can honestly say I don't know what you're talking about it sounding like it could go next to Italo Disco and old school Eurobeat and be similar. The "sound worlds" you guys keep referring to keep changing and the style is completely different. The production styles in contemporary Dima and SCP songs (whether you enjoy them or not) is more pop and club like in style, but there are layers to it and keeps that eurobeat "thump-thump-thump-thump" beat in a 4/4 time. It doesn't feel like someone slapped loops together on ACID Pro, added some synth keys for a synth hook and added singing.
I understand that you may not like the style, but you have to face facts, that old way of doing Eurobeat, for better or for worse, is over. The newer stuff is here. If it wasn't that way, parapara would still be thriving, HRG wouldn't be going to the slower style songs and non-pitched voices of Caballeros with Pistols and Bazookas and junk. In my e-mails, most of the producers and writers HATED only doing those songs and were annoyed to constantly produce these songs while their more melodic and songs that relied on creativity and changes.
drnrg, I still fail to see what's so cut and paste or easy to produce as you put it about What D'You Want From Me. Stefano kept changing the beat up throughout the song, he used various synths throughout, he got Jager to do some beatboxing, had him sing with regular voice in the 1st verse and refrain, gave the voice an effect on the pre-chorus to change things up to build it up to the refrain, added a bridge (which MOST Eurobeat songs never have)... I could go on and on about the work that was put into this song. Most typical Eurobeat songs that last for 5 mins, simply repeat the 1st/2nd verse, pre-chorus, refrain, synth hook and repeat while taking out vocals to change things up and stretch it calling it an extended mix when there's really nothing new. I'm not trying to change your mind on how you feel about a song, but for goodness sake, if you can't honestly analyze it because it sounds like pop/club music (which I noticed isn't your taste at all, which is fine) and actually analyze the production while comparing it to stuff which is basic loops put together... Well then I hate to say it but you're not going to enjoy most Eurobeat coming out in the future.
A clear cut example of this (as much as I love the producer and his songs) is Capaldi. You've referred to many Capaldi songs that you enjoy and I agree sound very good, but are cookie cutter put together. A good example of updating the sound and changing things up is what Dave Rodgers is doing with Sun Fire. As someone mentioned on this site, that epic ending on the end of the Dave & Futura track from 209 plus the structural changes added make the song fantastic while keeping the typical Eurobeat sound intact. Not everyone is going to do this as they're trying to update the sound they produce. As Newfield once told me, Eurobeat is a mixture of styles. It's the presentation on how we interpret whether or not it is Eurobeat.
I understand that you may not like the style, but you have to face facts, that old way of doing Eurobeat, for better or for worse, is over. The newer stuff is here. If it wasn't that way, parapara would still be thriving, HRG wouldn't be going to the slower style songs and non-pitched voices of Caballeros with Pistols and Bazookas and junk. In my e-mails, most of the producers and writers HATED only doing those songs and were annoyed to constantly produce these songs while their more melodic and songs that relied on creativity and changes.
drnrg, I still fail to see what's so cut and paste or easy to produce as you put it about What D'You Want From Me. Stefano kept changing the beat up throughout the song, he used various synths throughout, he got Jager to do some beatboxing, had him sing with regular voice in the 1st verse and refrain, gave the voice an effect on the pre-chorus to change things up to build it up to the refrain, added a bridge (which MOST Eurobeat songs never have)... I could go on and on about the work that was put into this song. Most typical Eurobeat songs that last for 5 mins, simply repeat the 1st/2nd verse, pre-chorus, refrain, synth hook and repeat while taking out vocals to change things up and stretch it calling it an extended mix when there's really nothing new. I'm not trying to change your mind on how you feel about a song, but for goodness sake, if you can't honestly analyze it because it sounds like pop/club music (which I noticed isn't your taste at all, which is fine) and actually analyze the production while comparing it to stuff which is basic loops put together... Well then I hate to say it but you're not going to enjoy most Eurobeat coming out in the future.
A clear cut example of this (as much as I love the producer and his songs) is Capaldi. You've referred to many Capaldi songs that you enjoy and I agree sound very good, but are cookie cutter put together. A good example of updating the sound and changing things up is what Dave Rodgers is doing with Sun Fire. As someone mentioned on this site, that epic ending on the end of the Dave & Futura track from 209 plus the structural changes added make the song fantastic while keeping the typical Eurobeat sound intact. Not everyone is going to do this as they're trying to update the sound they produce. As Newfield once told me, Eurobeat is a mixture of styles. It's the presentation on how we interpret whether or not it is Eurobeat.
