Super Eurobeat 197

taQ · Post by **taQ** » 12 Apr 2009, 15:48

MKwiakaku wrote:We can't watch stuff on Hulu.com either. ):

WHY ARE AMERICANS SO ANTI-EUROPEAN??? IT MAKES ME ILL

para_rigby · Post by **para_rigby** » 12 Apr 2009, 16:56

Xenophobia is being thrown lots around here. Can anyone prove that this is the case here? Hell, the dumb weeaboos on IDW are starting to use the term as well...For Christssakes, just wait for the album to come out before you start criticizing Avex...

They could do the following with 197:
13 new songs at around 4 minutes a piece: 52 minutes
The rest could be in the traditional Gazen/Chozen comp style of a minute or two to fill about anouther 20-25 minutes for the album.

I understand the frustration from some people's POV, but Avex is going to do what Avex is going to do in the best interest of their demographic (their Japanese customers)...If they have a problem with piracy, should they not have a right to tighten control over the distribution of the music they own? I'm not happy with it, but a small group of us vocally and actively protesting and boycotting a grand international record company will do nothing, but for them to tighten grips on their music.

Like someone said earlier, they may release extended versions post-200...Para Girl and Call Me comes to mind how they were on 190's non-stop and went in extended bloom later on.

Relax until 197 comes around...

DarkSky · Post by **DarkSky** » 12 Apr 2009, 19:13

Oh I also wanted to tell you guys, because of the things I write on these userbars and avatars doesn't mean I fully agree with them.
I made these ''No Extendeds, No Purchase'' and ''Avoid Avex'' userbars because DJ Mike TJG some kind of requested them.

I think boycotting Avex isn't the very right thing to do.

Oh and about this non-stop format, I don't really care.
They probably want to let us hear as much Eurobeat as possible before the release of SEB200. Probably they'll make it non-stop so it'll get more attention to the Japanese people.

The reason why I don't like Avex is because they removed the Eurobeat Masters albums from Junodownload and iTunes, they disabled downloading Eurobeat Artists Collection albums from iTunes for foreigners.

I don't really see a reason to boycot Avex because if we do, it might can affect the labels.

I won't buy physical SEBs anymore as long as there are non-stops, but I will buy Japanese iTunes cards to download music from iTunes Japan.

Mikaeru · Post by **Mikaeru** » 12 Apr 2009, 19:43

taQ wrote:did you guys know that people outside of america cant watch videos on cwtv.com (which airs shows such as gossip girl)? thats VERY anti japanese it makes me sick.

Plus those Comedy Central bastards make Canadians *hope* they can find the clips on The Comedy Network's site.

Lebon14 · Post by **Lebon14** » 12 Apr 2009, 20:28

taQ wrote:
MKwiakaku wrote:We can't watch stuff on Hulu.com either. ):
WHY ARE AMERICANS SO ANTI-EUROPEAN??? IT MAKES ME ILL

Don't talk about Hulu... THOSE SON OF A BITCH. American only (in a gay (as in homosexual) voice). I like to watch "The Family Guy", "Futurama" and all but Teletoon (Canadian might know about this channel) totally banned the shows in the evening and we only get the Simpsons... such good shows to waste

Sorry for Off-topic.

Javy · Post by **Javy** » 13 Apr 2009, 00:40

I'm just trying to figure out where the supposed 13th new track on this is

Shawaazu · Post by **Shawaazu** » 13 Apr 2009, 04:54

oh noez! there are sparkles on those anti avex mini banners!

Mikaeru · Post by **Mikaeru** » 13 Apr 2009, 06:03

Javy - It might be hiding behind Space Boy. If you squint a little, you can kinda catch a glimpse, but not enough for a positive identification.

Shawaazu - May God have mercy on our souls if they develop lens flare.

Mikaeru - Just learn to navigate their site, you lazy bastard. Oh... wait...

ANYWAYS, label check on the artists?

Guessing Luke = Delta? (Luca?)
Either Jordan or Max Zero are Eurogrooves? Or both? More Delta or A-Beat C? Anyone? Bueller?

Ricfiam · Post by **Ricfiam** » 13 Apr 2009, 07:45

Ok, last time I talk about extended/non-stop problem.
Avex can boycot what they want, fans have to agree their politics? Avex is the boss we are the slaves? What are we talkin' about? Fans keep this whole shit in life!
People here who don't care if it's a non-stop and telling me "you can still buy at itunes etc.." NO. Original music has beginning and end. Only Wav and Flac acceptable for downloading, no horrible wma, itunes and so on.
Yes it's me again who keep talking about quality and extended but if someone (avex) release something, there must be a chance to decide for everyone the format and version. If many people feels ok with non-stop wma's, ok no problem but think about serious ones too.

drnrg · Post by **drnrg** » 13 Apr 2009, 09:24

DarkSky

Oh I also wanted to tell you guys, because of the things I write on these userbars and avatars doesn't mean I fully agree with them.
I made these ''No Extendeds, No Purchase'' and ''Avoid Avex'' userbars because DJ Mike TJG some kind of requested them.

I think boycotting Avex isn't the very right thing to do.

Oh and about this non-stop format, I don't really care.
They probably want to let us hear as much Eurobeat as possible before the release of SEB200. Probably they'll make it non-stop so it'll get more attention to the Japanese people.

The reason why I don't like Avex is because they removed the Eurobeat Masters albums from Junodownload and iTunes, they disabled downloading Eurobeat Artists Collection albums from iTunes for foreigners.

I don't really see a reason to boycot Avex because if we do, it might can affect the labels.

I won't buy physical SEBs anymore as long as there are non-stops, but I will buy Japanese iTunes cards to download music from iTunes Japan.

I'm dissapointed in you. You are either for AVEX or against. You make all this banners anti-Avex and nw you are renigging your side of the cause.

I still say screw them for changing the formatt to nonstop. That is just my way of thinking. Nonstops are not the way the composers originally want thier art to be heard. They want it the way it was recorded. Extended of better yet, full versions. Italo/Hi Energy and Eurobeat have always been created in full 5-6 mins versions since the 80's. Even radio edited extended to a pittiful 3-4 mins version. It's the same way if you would write a speech or a book and was told to cut it down. This is the way the labels feel and I understand what it feels like to have your artistic creations sliced and diced, so that's another reason AVEX can stuff it. Any way you slice it, AVEX is screwing them out of thier creative rights

Where is this music ocean? and is it gonna be a hassel for to join. Or do I have to be japanese too? What does protected 128 kbps mean. I don't mind the quality, but if protected means that I can't burn them onto cds, then what good is it to have them? If I dish out the cash to purchase the trax I should be able to do what ever the hell I want with them.

I won't be purchasing SEBS untill the 200 come around and if they are extendeds. I know AVEX doesn't care and that's why neither do I. I want what I want and I'm not about to bend for those power hungry individuals.

If members wanna be childish and say they are leaving the forums cuz of difference of opinion, that's thier deal, but that won't make us other members change our opinions, so nobody wins.

DarkSky · Post by **DarkSky** » 13 Apr 2009, 09:48

drnrg wrote: If members wanna be childish and say they are leaving the forums cuz of difference of opinion, that's thier deal, but that won't make us other members change our opinions, so nobody wins.

Amen.

the_ditz · Post by **the_ditz** » 13 Apr 2009, 09:54

drnrg wrote:Where is this music ocean? and is it gonna be a hassel for to join. Or do I have to be japanese too? What does protected 128 kbps mean. I don't mind the quality, but if protected means that I can't burn them onto cds, then what good is it to have them? If I dish out the cash to purchase the trax I should be able to do what ever the hell I want with them.

You can burn protected files to CD's, and then rip them back onto your hard drive unprotected (if you wished). The only thing that is restricted with the protected or DRM files is that you cannot change the file format, so it may not be compatible with your mp3/portable music player.

Apart from that, you can play them normally on your PC and burn them to your heart's content.

I think somebody posted step-by-step instructions for purchasing tracks on Music Ocean - it's a bit like mu-mo I think in that you need to input a Japanese address, but you can get past that without too much hassle I believe.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 13 Apr 2009, 10:02

para_rigby wrote:I understand the frustration from some people's POV, but Avex is going to do what Avex is going to do in the best interest of their demographic (their Japanese customers)...If they have a problem with piracy, should they not have a right to tighten control over the distribution of the music they own?

Avex tightening their control over digital music is actually promoting piracy, not stopping it. If they choose to place restrictions on digital music, then it'll only force people into piracy if many disagree with Avex's policies or if people simply cannot access the music they want legally. There will always be pirates on the Internet no matter how hard Avex tries to stop it. By trying to fix one small problem, they're creating so many more in the process.

Avex won't care if a handful of people do not buy the album. The whole point of this is to encourage others from across the globe to boycott the series temporarily so that Avex will realise some of their recent changes are outright wrong; 'temporarily' being the keyword. Once these changes are reverted, I'm more than happy to resume buying eurobeat and perhaps go back in time to obtain those I missed as a result of the boycott.

There are basically three things I'm championing for, in order of priority:

Eurobeat Masters placed back onto Juno and iTunes;
Avex releasing their artist albums back onto the international iTunes stores;
7A booted out as SEB director.

See how I mentioned nothing about the non-stops? But I'm not finished with them just yet.

Some of you are grossly overestimating how popular eurobeat is in Japan now. It has become common knowledge that there is little keeping eurobeat alive—ParaPara teetering on death is indicative of this, as well as the closure of Velfarre a few years ago. Avex needs to start focusing on other markets around the world that are progressively discovering the genre if they want to continue on with the SEB series. This is not pre-2002 anymore when nearly the entire eurobeat fanbase comprised of Japanese—there is a Western niche that is wrongfully being ignored, highlighted through the removal of Delta from iTunes/Juno and Avex limiting those who can buy their iTunes artist albums. Should Japan occupy 85% of the sales, Avex would go on to think, 'oh...we did something wrong!' if the other 15% were boycotting. There is a chance that, should these non-stops sell considerably well, Avex might make these changes permanent. Who would we thank for that?

Finally, I wish the Nine-Jayveemon-etc. crowd would stop changing their stance on Avex every few months. These two were once THE most vocal on how demonic Avex was, complaining and ranting not only on EBP, but through their blog and podcast. If you contrast Nine and Jayveemon's forum posts with this blog entry by Nine/Phil and this blog entry by Jayveemon, they would have to be the two biggest hypocrites I've seen yet in this debate. Did they both forget they posted these entries on the SEPH blog barely over two months ago? What I fail to understand is how Avex have made the most damaging changes in eurobeat's history, yet Jayveemon and his cohorts—all who were once opposed to Avex in every single way—are supporting Avex's new regime. While I'd love to hear how they justify that by avoiding the major issues yet again and telling us all to 'stop making assumptions!', I think this debate is past its used-by date.

In sum, I will not be purchasing this album, but for those who desperately want to listen to SEB197, please pirate it rather than support the changes Avex has made. It is the most effective means to make your voices heard, and the more people who refuse to buy, the more powerful the impetus to revert these unfortunate changes.

the_ditz · Post by **the_ditz** » 13 Apr 2009, 10:31

Javy wrote:I'm just trying to figure out where the supposed 13th new track on this is

Yeah, me too actually - I was sure there were only 12 stars on the tracklist...

DJ Mike TJG · Post by **DJ Mike TJG** » 13 Apr 2009, 10:44

I think people assumed that the Dave Rodgers track (Dancin In The Starlight) was unreleased - it was actually a track back on SEB 132.

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