Super Eurobeat 241

Last.fm · Post by **Bore** » 20 Oct 2016, 11:53

For once the album arrived to me in time! Time to get digging deeper with this tweasuwe~ And oh boy does I Love You From My Soul sound stunningly good!

M2-EB · Post by **M2-EB** » 20 Oct 2016, 15:42

01. I LOVE YOU FROM MY SOUL / MARI

02. I'M BACK / MEGA NRG MAN

03. FALLEN ANGEL / CINDY

04. STREET FIGHTER / LUKE

05. BURNING IN THE RAIN / ROBERTA

06. NIGHT RIDER / RICH HARD

07. COME ALIVE / ACE AND SEASTAR

08. LOVE PEACE AND GUN / BLACK EVA

09. I'M DYNAMITE / CHERRY

10. LET'S DANCE / KEN LASZLO

11. L.O.V.E. / DIMA & NAM

12. QUEEN OF BROKEN HEARTS / PAMSY

13. THE STALLION / MANUEL

14. BANG MY HEART / MEGAN

15. FACE DOWN / HOTBLADE

para_rigby · Post by **para_rigby** » 20 Oct 2016, 21:56

Love that intro to I'm Back where you hear tiny clips of his previous songs with GGM! GGM has this fun self-awareness about itself.

Crockett · Post by **Crockett** » 21 Oct 2016, 01:34

Our forum friend, which is so nice, maybe consider this is kind of support or promotion.

Last time of course nobody didn't agree with me and I was laughted.

Some people think, that niche genre need any "help" so sharing illegally, in practise stolen from original CD, shared without permision songs, before or just after premiere is good and artists should perchaps say thanks.

I heard angry voices and big disappointment from some studio after SEB 241 appeared on YouTube. It's funny and ok until that's not about your work. How long do you expect news continuing free sharing of music, which isn't for free?

Why Eurobeat hadn't low sale when was no internet around and all informations you could get on the paper?

Is any artist who shares immediately these links with happiness? Some of the youngest, which have not understood yet the business rules? I can't remember and see really on Facebook. "Don't buy CD, listen YouTube. You don't need to pay".

If you don't buy, no problem, but why an artist should loose profits because of "a fan"?...

Those tracks will be or are already reported to Avex Trax.

And I truly understand artist's feelings.

drnrg · Post by **drnrg** » 21 Oct 2016, 05:13

Those uploads are not the same quality as CD. Only second rate fans will be satisfied with those. It's like those watered down perfumes you see at the swap meets. The scent soon wears out , cuz it's not real. The real fans know the CD is top quality, , so the producers really shouldn't pay much attention to it, cuz the second rate fans were never gonna buy the CD anyway. That's how I see it.

magiblot · Post by **magiblot** » 21 Oct 2016, 11:12

I agree with your point, Crockett, but my interpretation is that Avex is letting us to upload their songs to YouTube.

I say this because many Eurobeat tracks are not even detected by Content ID, just some of them. When they are identified as Avex's content (or any other Eurobeat label's), they are usually monetized by the label. In the case of some japanese songs, they are blocked in Japan.

Oppositely, almost every single song from western labels are detected in our videos and monetized or easily blocked, which is very annoying. But Avex doesn't, and I think there's evidence enough to think that Avex could do the same (claim all the songs) if they wanted to do so. Therefore, if they don't, it must because they don't want.

I think that Avex realises that the Eurobeat genre depends strongly on their fans. Since they won't do any effort to license Eurobeat out of Japan, at least they will compensate us allowing us to listen their songs. Just think what would happen to the genre if the songs weren't allowed on YouTube. Alternately, if Avex ever was to release Eurobeat albums in the western countries, I guess they would then start claiming more songs or even blocking them.

Or it could just be that they are disregarding the non-Japanese fans, so they only take care of the Japanese market. I don't think we know for sure how the upload of songs to YouTube affects their sellings and the behaviour of the Japanese fans, so we can't really tell how much damage it does. It's Avex who has to take that into consideration. And if they think having their songs uploaded to YouTube is not dangerous, they won't go against it.

Think of the EUROLOVERS channel. I was told he works at Avex. I don't think it would make sense if Avex wanted to restrict their songs on YouTube and yet he was uploading almost every new song they release.

WNight · Post by **WNight** » 21 Oct 2016, 13:46

drnrg wrote:Those uploads are not the same quality as CD. Only second rate fans will be satisfied with those. It's like those watered down perfumes you see at the swap meets. The scent soon wears out , cuz it's not real. The real fans know the CD is top quality, , so the producers really shouldn't pay much attention to it, cuz the second rate fans were never gonna buy the CD anyway. That's how I see it.

I agree with this. Piracy cannot be stopped, but there will always be the loyal bunch who will purchase every single SEB to support the efforts of the producers. Youtube can't and will never be a replacement for actually being the owner of the SEB itself, that's something pirates will never get to experience. It's now the producers choice if they wish to give their attention to these pirates or the fact that they will always have a loyal fanbase out there who truly appreciates and await eagerly to purchase each new creation they put out.

KiraTM · Post by **KiraTM** » 21 Oct 2016, 14:14

A friend just sent me a photo of his 241. He totally forgot about the messages we could send to avex and was surprised to find my name in it.

Oh, downloads can be the same quality as the CD, keyword 100% FLAC rips... However, it's still a great feeling to have a jewel case and a booklet in your hands.

On one hand, I support piracy for making Eurobeat more famous (mostly on YouTube). But I'd like to see two minute previews or something which shows more of a song than iTunes or Amazon instead of full-lenth-tracks.
On the other hand, I don't support piracy because it's less money the artists earn. I have to earn money for my food and stuff I need, so they do too.

"But Kira, they get a fixed amount of money for their songs when sending them to avex! I don't damage anyone since they don't get more or less money because of me."
Well, I don't know how the backstage things work and how producers are paid, but if it's like that, less money would mean: avex could simply stop releasing SEBs or release SEBs every four months.

We all should not forget that SEB is (probably) not profit-making for avex. We should see it as a present for the remaining fans. Each other company would have immediately stopped the SEB series.
Of course, we all "hate" avex for some reasons, but we shouldn't forget: Without them, we'd lose the main series of Eurobeat.

Crockett · Post by **Crockett** » 21 Oct 2016, 15:52

KiraTM wrote:I support piracy for making Eurobeat more famous (mostly on YouTube). But I'd like to see two minute previews or something which shows more of a song than iTunes or Amazon instead of full-lenth-tracks.

We all should not forget that SEB is (probably) not profit-making for avex. We should see it as a present for the remaining fans. Each other company would have immediately stopped the SEB series.
Of course, we all "hate" avex for some reasons, but we shouldn't forget: Without them, we'd lose the main series of Eurobeat.

Yeah, ok, I see that point. But a man, a girl, which will have fun with online streaming of free music is a fan who can gives only some good word, but zero of real support and help to survive by an artist.

When I opened yesterday these links to SEB 241, they had already over 60 views. Who? 60 potential, certain buyers of CD Japan? Who can confirm, that they didn't use clip converter website to make 320 kb/s mp3 files?

"Gift". We are appreciate to continuous SEB series, but who will give a gift a producer? Who has wife vocalist like in the past, to be not charged by costs of paying reward the rest of collaborators? We have still various vocalists, foreign people, workers, not family, which must be pay up.

If not legal sale, artists would have never bought studio devices or paid electricity.

These are positive willingness perchaps in the eyes of fans, but in practise every played but unpaid song is a loss.

Remember, that Avex Trax keeps music for future, blocks regular releasing. After months, a year, such not so hot news waiting for profits, after several hours is available for free. It's out of control to catch all videos and doubt, that deliberately missed. Available in enough quality to satisfy many listeners.

Sharing short, well choosen parts, samples is ok, but to convince to purchase. Not full lenght tracks as the support or rescue of the genre reason.

KiraTM · Post by **KiraTM** » 21 Oct 2016, 16:10

Wait, you got me wrong. I didn't mean to say it's a gift for use in terms of getting the albums for free. i meant it's a gift that we still have this series, which only runs because of the very few buyers.

Crockett · Post by **Crockett** » 21 Oct 2016, 16:33

KiraTM wrote:Wait, you got me wrong. I didn't mean to say it's a gift for use in terms of getting the albums for free. i meant it's a gift that we still have this series, which only runs because of the very few buyers.

Sure, I agree.

para_rigby · Post by **para_rigby** » 21 Oct 2016, 16:52

Please not the piracy discussion again. In the 10+ years I've been on here, we have this come up, people argue, and it goes absolutely nowhere. People buy, people pirate. That's the way it works with music. I'm not saying which group is right because you somehow can make valid arguments for both sides.

There. Let's get back to discussing the album and not continue this. It's a futile effort every time we discuss this.

Crockett · Post by **Crockett** » 21 Oct 2016, 17:06

para_rigby wrote:I'm not saying which group is right because you somehow can make valid arguments for both sides.

Full SEB 241 disappeared from YouTube right now.

And no arguing between us, of course not.

But explain it artist, to convince him, that exists for him any valid argument, more than we said, than I said, that he should appreciate free listening of full versions after waiting a year to release one song, if he has already incurred costs.

Artists don't browse forums, YouTube, but if, very rare, very rare looking for their own tracks. If they would start, many people would have big troubles and claims.

Lebon14 · Post by **Lebon14** » 21 Oct 2016, 19:03

I was about to write a huge wall-of-text about the discussion but I won't comment finally. I'm just sick of it.

Just know this though: the biggest consummer of entertainment (willing to pay) are those that are also pirate a lot. The opposite is also true. Those that aren't willing to pay aren't huge entertainment consumer (most likely OK with what they hear at the radio or watch on TV).

Avex is the biggest fault here but the labels aren't guilty-free either. If they would upload their own tracks on YT and moneytize them (or Avex for that matter), YT would be a non-issue. But they don't do anything... Or Avex stops them to do just that.

M2-EB · Post by **M2-EB** » 22 Oct 2016, 00:26

para_rigby wrote:Please not the piracy discussion again. In the 10+ years I've been on here, we have this come up, people argue, and it goes absolutely nowhere. People buy, people pirate. That's the way it works with music. I'm not saying which group is right because you somehow can make valid arguments for both sides.

There. Let's get back to discussing the album and not continue this. It's a futile effort every time we discuss this.

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