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Posted: 25 Mar 2009, 17:18
by zoupzuop2
trainerkelly wrote: ...*messaged Laurent Gelmetti and got a reply* ARGH. Are you kidding me?! Avex is behind this. D<
WHAT THE FUCK?

You know what? I've been tolerant of Avex's practices all too long. WHO THE HELL is Avex to say what Delta can/can't do with their publishing, seeing as Avex doesn't own it? Avex doesn't even plan to sell outside of Japan, so just let the labels do whatever the hell they want in the USA, the UK, and all the other countries!
Now it's out of our control. Avex is sending Super Eurobeat into a downward spiral that tightens with each second, and, yes, it is ultimately up to the labels to speak up. Contracts be damned, if they ALL threaten to walk out and join another record label (I hear Warner Bros. is nice this time of year), Avex would wake up to the solid fact that they're just not working in the interest of fans any more (that is, if they ever were in the last few years).
I'm not sure how to support Eurobeat anymore. I certainly don't want to support Avex's practice of shutting Eurobeat off to the world, or how they treat their labels. (I'm also not too familiar or fond of some of the "outer" labels...)

Posted: 25 Mar 2009, 17:58
by trainerkelly
#Infinity wrote:Quite honestly, I think eurobeat would be far more successful if it were availible outside of Japan, since it's kind of a dying trend over there, but other places like Korea and Taiwan are fairly interested. At this point I think the genre would be a million times more successful if all the labels, including the exclusively-owned ones, quit their contract with Avex and actually made a true effort to promote their music. Not just by releasing it separately, but by spreading word. I bet a compilation of at least fairly radio-friendly eurobeat would do just fine if it were released internationally; surely it wouldn't be a massive hit, but it would do okay.

I know it sounds naive to think that promoting eurobeat outside of a large company would be better, but at this point, Avex has become the primary enemy of everything.
I have to agree with you on that. I think it'd be more successful outside Japan as well, not just in those countries you mentioned, but in other places as well, with advertising towards the right target of people and more promotion (though, that's part of the problem - who exactly would they target? I'm assuming the masses - I have a few ideas on how to persuade America...but not other places..>_>). There's already a handful of songs produced by the Eurobeat labels that could easily air on the radio and become hits in various different places ("SUPER RIDER", for instance, could possibly make it as a [huge] hit - I'm basically quoting my mom on this, but I trust her for things like that (every song she's said would become a hit has become a hit on the radio...>_> So I have no reason to doubt her)).

I don't think you're naive thinking that. XP I'm thinking the same thing.

I think the labels could be even more successful if they came up with like...a mutual agreement and helped each other, rather than competed. I don't mean take away complete competition, but kind of make competition work to promote each other...if that makes any sense (which it probably doesn't).

...and I think if the labels left Avex, I think there'd be more videos using their songs on Youtube (since Avex snatches down all the videos XP) = more free promotion of Eurobeat = more people wanting the songs = more people buying the songs of iTunes (for those who actually legally buy songs, at least). Or at least, it'd ideally work that way, I think.

...on the paralist side of things though, it'd suck if the labels left Avex, since parapara would be screwed. XD;; Maybe...or at least, parapara in Japan and overseas teams would be left up to creating their own dances. (I know a lot of you probably don't care about that, but as a paralist...yeah...)

I'm going to be writing an e-mail to Avex. I probably won't get a reply, but that's okay! I just hope they read it. *glances at notebook that has the e-mail's outline* Does anyone else have any issues that should be covered, besides from the Mu-mo.net to Mora, the removal of EM, the possibility of four non-stops in a row, and the possibility of 200 being slow Eurobeat? And is there anything that should be praised (as odd as that sounds, since I want to attempt to feed Avex ideas to successfully flourish their western Eurobeat fanbase, not demolish it, which they're doing right now), like the Special Collections (which really need to be in iTunes Plus...>_>)?

Posted: 25 Mar 2009, 18:44
by wolftickets1969
Ironic, having released Special Selections on global iTunes. Guess they thought Delta's releases were harming sales of SEB and mu-mo extendeds? That's a big FUCK YOU to westerners. Hopefully HRG won't go the same way(they have a lot more tunes that weren't released on Avex). And true, it seems you can only order physical CDs through CdJapan now. Does this go beyond the call of duty to require Japanese credit cards? That would be the final straw. Does it have to do with cracking down on piracy as well? I guess the pirates, eg Initial D World, may be partly to blame too. A word: PLEASE DON'T STEAL MUSIC.

Posted: 25 Mar 2009, 20:45
by the_ditz
wolftickets1969 wrote:Ironic, having released Special Selections on global iTunes. Guess they thought Delta's releases were harming sales of SEB and mu-mo extendeds? That's a big FUCK YOU to westerners. Hopefully HRG won't go the same way(they have a lot more tunes that weren't released on Avex). And true, it seems you can only order physical CDs through CdJapan now. Does this go beyond the call of duty to require Japanese credit cards? That would be the final straw. Does it have to do with cracking down on piracy as well? I guess the pirates, eg Initial D World, may be partly to blame too. A word: PLEASE DON'T STEAL MUSIC.
I'm sure that it's been mentioned before, but I'll say it again...

I highly doubt that piracy would cease to exist even if Avex only sold CD's to people buying them in person with 15 personality references at a top secret Tokyo location. As long as there are people that are willing to share the discs, there will be pirate copies - it's not just a Western thing (oh cool maybe isn't the best option as they are a Chinese site, but you get the point I'm trying to make).

I just do not see the point in reducing the availability of digital downloads at a time when every other major record label worth its salt is actually expanding on its digital sales distribution channels. Avex just seem completely introverted and ignorant to the massive world outside of their native Japan - a world that is probably contributing a large chunk of their annual revenue from CD and DVD sales and that is increasingly likely to tell them where they can shove their marketing and sales strategy.

It's such a shame that the genre I love has a dictator like Avex at the helm. And yes, I realise there is other Eurobeat out there, but I don't think anyone can deny that the Avex umbrella of labels and "brands" are the popular face of Eurobeat and they are everyone's first port of call when they look for information on the genre.

Posted: 25 Mar 2009, 21:08
by Lebon14
I'm agreeing with you guys zoupzuop2, trainerkelly, the_ditz and #infinity.

We still have one power as a western fan : to let the labels know what we think of Avex and in hope that they listen and do something for us and all the fans outside of Japan.

Posted: 25 Mar 2009, 21:32
by Will154
Lebon14 wrote: We still have one power as a western fan : to let the labels know what we think of Avex and in hope that they listen and do something for us and all the fans outside of Japan.
The only labels that i haven't seen confirm that Avex Sucks was GGM and Dima ... all the rest are pretty much so-so or think they suck. So we got one thing done , now it's to tell avex ?

Posted: 26 Mar 2009, 01:33
by drnrg
I have been thinking about this lately. If I were a Eurobeat label with so many restrictions would I even bother making Eurobeat anymore. I wonder if any of the labels have ever thought this way. It's pretty much restricted to Japan only, so what kinda revenue are the labels actually getting?

I doubt AVEX would go thru such extents to limit I.D. furums, but I do think they are a bunch of greedy sons of bitches :evil:

Posted: 26 Mar 2009, 02:00
by Jay
drnrg wrote:I have been thinking about this lately. If I were a Eurobeat label with so many restrictions would I even bother making Eurobeat anymore. I wonder if any of the labels have ever thought this way. It's pretty much restricted to Japan only, so what kinda revenue are the labels actually getting?
The labels are more than likely under a contract they can't break unless they were willing to pay a hefty price. I doubt the labels would terminate their contracts early since they are still earning their fair share of revenue from producing as much eurobeat as possible. They're forced to maintain a benchmark, irrespective of what Avex is doing to itself.

Posted: 26 Mar 2009, 02:39
by Lebon14
Will154 wrote:The only labels that i haven't seen confirm that Avex Sucks was GGM and Dima ... all the rest are pretty much so-so or think they suck. So we got one thing done , now it's to tell avex ?
Even if GGM and Dima likes Avex, we need to revise their position by e-mailing what we think and proving that it's a bad label.

How to tell Avex? It's up to the label to express their dispointment. They can do that in various way without breaking their contract.

It's up to us to inform them and wish to them that take action for us.

Posted: 26 Mar 2009, 03:09
by wolftickets1969
The forced removal of Eurobeat Masters reminds me of the Akyr fiasco a couple years ago. Although, those are still on iTunes.

Posted: 26 Mar 2009, 17:36
by trainerkelly
...has anyone ever tried to contact Avex and try to tell them on how they actually feel about these decisions? ...

Posted: 26 Mar 2009, 18:07
by Lebon14
trainerkelly wrote:...has anyone ever tried to contact Avex and try to tell them on how they actually feel about these decisions? ...
I don't think they ever fucking care about non-japanese complain

Posted: 26 Mar 2009, 19:17
by trainerkelly
Lebon14 wrote:
trainerkelly wrote:...has anyone ever tried to contact Avex and try to tell them on how they actually feel about these decisions? ...
I don't think they ever fucking care about non-japanese complain
I don't think so either, but I still think it's worth a try.

Edit: Eurobeat Masters was removed from Juno too...

They're still up on Amazon.com though, but I'm pretty sure those will be gone soon too. I guess mass buying them now is a pretty good idea...>_>;;

...I feel like crying now. ._.;

Posted: 26 Mar 2009, 23:11
by Lebon14
trainerkelly wrote:Edit: Eurobeat Masters was removed from Juno too...

They're still up on Amazon.com though, but I'm pretty sure those will be gone soon too. I guess mass buying them now is a pretty good idea...>_>;;

...I feel like crying now. ._.;
FUCK YOU AVEX. Once again.
OK, someone, please, someone contact the labels to explain the situation... please someone... I'm going crazy. Or at least, Newfield, if you read that, explain why they were removed. Is it really Avex or your own will?


Also, even if I would like to mass buying them right now, I can't because I'm Canadian and I need to be American.

EDIT

Spam your tears here : eurobeat@avex.jp

Posted: 27 Mar 2009, 00:13
by trainerkelly
I heard from Javy that it was apparently some business agreement between Avex and Newfield.