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Nine wrote:Though there is a HUGE difference, using Domino and TIME as an example, saying...

"I dislike Domino's music, I'm not a fan of the Japanese lyrics and her style."
and
"I hate Domino, she's a japanese wannabe and her songs are a waste of space."

(With this... people who like Domino, like me, will read the first line and just go "oh, okay." They'll read the 2nd line and say "wtf this guy is a fucking asshole," write about it on their livejournal, and start being spiteful against them until they forget about the comment in a few weeks. lolol)

"I don't care for TIME's productions"
and
"TIME IS THE WORST LABEL EVER!!!!"

(With this... people who like TIME, like djnrg, will read the first line and just go "oh..." and then read the second and probably like, get offended and wonder why the hell you're such a moron. haha)

There's a difference between saying an opinion of dislike; and being rude, inconciderate, and downright mean. People just need to learn to say "I don't care for ________" instead of "______ IS THE MOST HORRIBLE THING EVER IN THE WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD!!!!!!!!" for another example.

I thought this would be common sense, but apparently it isn't so it's being written.

No, there really isn't much of a difference, beyond how you react to either statement.

You might not like how somebody chooses to express their opinion, but as soon as you take personal offence because somebody expresses severe dislike for something, you're immediately wading into a bad corner.

I'm not trying to condone offensive behaviour, but as long as somebody isn't attacking you personally for what you think, having a go at somebody because they think something is the worst thing they've ever heard makes you just as immature as you purport them to be.

People are entitled to be as passionate as they want about how they view the arts. If somebody wants to tell me they think something I really enjoy is the worst thing they've ever heard, that's their prerogative. I get that all the time from people who just don't like Eurobeat. Sometimes they call my personal taste into question, and it's at that point that I deem their statement offensive, because they are no longer opinionating about art, they're undermining my opinion, like theirs is more important.

Remember: For all the people who object to those who really hate a label/song, there are equally those who object to those who really like a song. Don't get drawn into a slagging match just because you don't like someone's opinion or how they express it.

I agree with DJ Mike, and I would like to add that you should remember not to take everything said so seriously.

Come on, saying "domino is a japanese wannabe and her songs are a waste of space" is just an exaggerated, joking way of saying "I don't like Domino".

So chill.

DJ Mike TJG wrote: No, there really isn't much of a difference, beyond how you react to either statement.

You might not like how somebody chooses to express their opinion, but as soon as you take personal offence because somebody expresses severe dislike for something, you're immediately wading into a bad corner...

I'm not trying to condone offensive behaviour, but as long as somebody isn't attacking you personally for what you think.....

....People are entitled to be as passionate as they want about how they view the arts....

Actually, YES. There actually is a difference. Both ways of of course, portray the same opinion - but one pretty much screams "I'm being snarky to piss off people" (even when it's obviously not intended, make note of this) where the other portrays their opinion in a more polite ways.

People are "entitled" to be "as passionate as they want" - but we also are entitled to tell people how to act on these forums. People are also entitled to take offence to a rude comment to something they really enjoy. If there is words of text, on the screen, that will piss someone off, deter someone from posting here, or give that person or the forums in general a bad name - everyone here (and when I say everyone I mean everyone - me, you, panu, jion, mr. newly registered member, mr. member who has been here for years, everyone) is entitled to tell them how to express themselves, and tell them to control themselves and adhear to this 'unwritten' conduct Jion originally posted this topic about.

Let me mind you before I continue that Eurobeat Prime is a pretty much self-sufficent community. Except for the occasional spammer, media leecher, adbot, or serious trouble maker, everyone here is tight knit and can and does call out anything that shifts the movement of this place, so to speak. We all look out for ourselves, our members, and the quality of these forums. We aren't a heavily moderated community like other forums were your freedom of expression is completely strapped down to the ground and one wrong move warrents a locked topic and temporary ban. What I'm writting to you about, debating to you about, isn't "the law of the forums and should be adheared to or else," it's just how I feel and how I believe people should act to make this place an enjoyable, fun place to post opinios of yourself, others, and the music we all love.

Using me as an example again, as it's the only thing I can think of at the moment, I know that when Fuku Wa Uchi came out and all the "domino hate" surfaced, I was so turned off from these forums that I didn't post for months. We don't want that, or do we for the sake of some so called 'freedom of speech' movement? Another example is that on a ParaPara forum, a "Say No To Nuage" movement swept across the forums, where a ton of people in the community posted an image of Nuage (around the time the SEB140's were being released) in their signature with the universal symbol of "No" over her face - such like a no smoking sign for example. People stopped posting there because of that, because they liked Nuage.

Sure, be as passionate as you want. Say "I really dislike this song, eurobeat artist, label, etc." or hell, even say "I HATE (insert thing here)" ...but there is a difference between "I hate (insert topic)" and "I hate (insert topic) and I hope (insert topic) dies"

When you start insulting and being down right rude about something, all for this entitlement of expression, especially dealing with topics you know an individual or group of people really like, you're being more rude than 'expressing your opinions of the arts in a passionate matter.' There is a difference between being passionate and being offensive.

When Newfield posted here regularly, do you honest think he would have continued to post here if people were writing things like "NEWFIELD IS THE WORST PRODUCER IN EUROBEAT HISTORY HE SHOULD STOP MAKING MUSIC!!!!!" ????

Be nice, be respectful and your opinions will be respected in return - even if individuals disagree with it. That's all that we want. We don't want to limit people from posting "I hate TIME songs" - again for example, we just want people to have some tact. ...and if you really believe that is taking away peoples entitlement to be passionate about something - then I don't know what else to say, because giving respect, recieving respect, being tactful and making it so people want to continue to come here and read and post is the obvious outcome from that, and that definately out weights that one sacrifice from how I'm looking at this at.

SirSlugma wrote:I agree with DJ Mike, and I would like to add that you should remember not to take everything said so seriously.

Come on, saying "domino is a japanese wannabe and her songs are a waste of space" is just an exaggerated, joking way of saying "I don't like Domino".

So chill.

QFT.

MesdoramElmdor wrote:

SirSlugma wrote:I agree with DJ Mike, and I would like to add that you should remember not to take everything said so seriously.

Come on, saying "domino is a japanese wannabe and her songs are a waste of space" is just an exaggerated, joking way of saying "I don't like Domino".

So chill.

QFT.

The "Say No To Nuage" movement on PPStage adressed in the previous post was just an exaggerated, joking way of saying "I don't like Nuage," as well, and it really offended and pissed people off... so instead of removing it should we have just said "chill out" ??? I'm just saying.

We don't want people to blindly follow every single aspect of Eurobeat just to avoid a confrontation, we want people to be respectful and have some tact and be conciderate of what we post. I didn't like the new Annalise song on SEB175, but am I going to say that Annerley Gordon is washed up hack and shouldn't have returned to making Eurobeat? Of course not, there is no way in hell I'd ever say that, even though it's an exaggerated, joking way of saying I dislike most of her new material. I know at least one specific person who would swat me over the side of the head if he read something like that.

The "Say No To Nuage" movement on PPStage adressed in the previous post was just an exaggerated, joking way of saying "I don't like Nuage," as well, and it really offended and pissed people off... so instead of removing it should we have just said "chill" ??? Razz I'm just saying.

I don't see anything too bad about it as long as people aren't going out of their way to annoy the Nuage fans in particular. In this example, we were just joking about out dislike for Domino, but it wasn't meant as an insult to any poster, namely yourself, in particular. As long as you respect the posters on the site, I don't see anything wrong with it.

And I love 140's Nuage, so I'm not even biased here.

SirSlugma wrote:

The "Say No To Nuage" movement on PPStage adressed in the previous post was just an exaggerated, joking way of saying "I don't like Nuage," as well, and it really offended and pissed people off... so instead of removing it should we have just said "chill" ??? Razz I'm just saying.

I don't see anything too bad about it as long as people aren't going out of their way to annoy the Nuage fans in particular. In this example, we were just joking about out dislike for Domino, but it wasn't meant as an insult to any poster, namely yourself, in particular. As long as you respect the posters on the site, I don't see anything wrong with it.

And I love 140's Nuage, so I'm not even biased here.

I didn't really enjoy Nuage in the 140s, though she had a few good songs that I still enjoy listening to today from the 130s - Sunday and Baby Get My Fire Tonight; and from the 140s, Plastic Girl. I wasn't too into her when everyone else started to obsess over. Her latest stuff hasn't been to great to me either, but there were a few songs that I really enjoyed like "I'm Gonna Carry On" and Nuage & Lolita's "King & Queen's" Boogie Boogie.

Er wait, I mean... NUAGE SUCKS SHE SHOULD GO DIE.

Lol

Nine wrote:Be nice, be respectful and your opinions will be respected in return - even if individuals disagree with it. That's all that we want. We don't want to limit people from posting "I hate TIME songs" - again for example, we just want people to have some tact. ...and if you really believe that is taking away peoples entitlement to be passionate about something - then I don't know what else to say, because giving respect, recieving respect, being tactful and making it so people want to continue to come here and read and post is the obvious outcome from that, and that definately out weights that one sacrifice from how I'm looking at this at.

I think you said all that needed to be said, frankly.

Freedom of speech is important - thus, it should be granted and used. But at the same time, you (not targeting anyone) must realize how to use it properly for the most effective means. You can have the right easily, but when you abuse it or don't use it correctly, other factors come into play.

Nine wrote:...but there is a difference between "I hate (insert topic)" and "I hate (insert topic) and I hope (insert topic) dies"

Your example strays onto a different territory there - you're talking about wishing malice on the person who created the song, not simply that you think they should stop producing music altogether. Make no mistake, that really is offensive - I certainly wouldn't be so cold as to wish them to die/be maimed/suffer a nasty accident, as that has nothing to do with creativity.

Nine wrote:The "Say No To Nuage" movement on PPStage adressed in the previous post was just an exaggerated, joking way of saying "I don't like Nuage," as well, and it really offended and pissed people off... so instead of removing it should we have just said "chill out" ??? I'm just saying.

Actually, yes, you should have (or rather, you yourselves should have chilled out and ignored it). I certainly have nothing wrong with that phrase - neither are they attacking me personally for the fact that I like Nuage's songs, nor are they wishing that she would die. If they want her to pack up and call it a day, fair enough - I'd be disappointed if she did, but I can't fault others for holding a different opinion.

Remember: Don't rise to meet immature people in their court - rise above it!

This topic is really beginning to bore me. Why doesn't everyone just play like grown ups

Easily put: State your opinions without offending others.

peace out.

I've pretty much said everything I've wanted to say, even more, and in multiple ways. So, I'm done rehashing everything I've written in the previous posts. hahaha

From djnrg:

Easily put: State your opinions without offending others.

Now that's an opinion I agree with!

I think the thing that some people need to keep in mind is the fact that what offends some people may not offend others.