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Looks pretty good "in-person"!

Now, very clearly this is going to be an attention-getter series for SEB, so I have an idea for how the next one SHOULD go (yes, y'know what, I AM going to assert that I would manage this album better than it's currently done).

• Any remixes of original Miku-associated tunes are handled by the existing SEB labels.
• Original Miku/Vocaloid content by new Vocalo-Beat labels stands on its own. In other words, if Samfree makes another Eurobeat tune with a Vocaloid and wants it on Vocalo-Beat, he may submit it directly.
• SEB labels can make their songs duets or "[Artist] feat. Miku" if they so choose, and the song can be original (i.e, not already a "Miku" song)
• Labels not currently on SEB can play along, but either their submission must be self-produced Eurobeat or remixed by the existing labels.

This way, fans of Vocaloid get to hear new Eurobeat (or existing songs in a new Eurobeat light), fans of Eurobeat get to hear some songs that Japanese producers have been cooking up (Italy's not the only country in the game~!), Crypton gets their attention-getting star out there, existing Italian Labels still get to use their vocal talent, Japanese labels get a shot... and Avex snags some money for the Super Eurobeat series.

I agree with your views, Mr.Stabbins

zoupzuop2 wrote:Looks pretty good "in-person"!

Now, very clearly this is going to be an attention-getter series for SEB, so I have an idea for how the next one SHOULD go (yes, y'know what, I AM going to assert that I would manage this album better than it's currently done).

• Any remixes of original Miku-associated tunes are handled by the existing SEB labels.
• Original Miku/Vocaloid content by new Vocalo-Beat labels stands on its own. In other words, if Samfree makes another Eurobeat tune with a Vocaloid and wants it on Vocalo-Beat, he may submit it directly.
• SEB labels can make their songs duets or "[Artist] feat. Miku" if they so choose, and the song can be original (i.e, not already a "Miku" song)
• Labels not currently on SEB can play along, but either their submission must be self-produced Eurobeat or remixed by the existing labels.

This way, fans of Vocaloid get to hear new Eurobeat (or existing songs in a new Eurobeat light), fans of Eurobeat get to hear some songs that Japanese producers have been cooking up (Italy's not the only country in the game~!), Crypton gets their attention-getting star out there, existing Italian Labels still get to use their vocal talent, Japanese labels get a shot... and Avex snags some money for the Super Eurobeat series.

YES - all of this!! avex - employ this man as series director right now!

zoupzuop2 wrote:Looks pretty good "in-person"!

Now, very clearly this is going to be an attention-getter series for SEB, so I have an idea for how the next one SHOULD go (yes, y'know what, I AM going to assert that I would manage this album better than it's currently done).

• Any remixes of original Miku-associated tunes are handled by the existing SEB labels.
• Original Miku/Vocaloid content by new Vocalo-Beat labels stands on its own. In other words, if Samfree makes another Eurobeat tune with a Vocaloid and wants it on Vocalo-Beat, he may submit it directly.
• SEB labels can make their songs duets or "[Artist] feat. Miku" if they so choose, and the song can be original (i.e, not already a "Miku" song)
• Labels not currently on SEB can play along, but either their submission must be self-produced Eurobeat or remixed by the existing labels.

This way, fans of Vocaloid get to hear new Eurobeat (or existing songs in a new Eurobeat light), fans of Eurobeat get to hear some songs that Japanese producers have been cooking up (Italy's not the only country in the game~!), Crypton gets their attention-getting star out there, existing Italian Labels still get to use their vocal talent, Japanese labels get a shot... and Avex snags some money for the Super Eurobeat series.

You know, for someone with shit taste, you've actually got some good points.

Wataru Akiyama wrote: You know, for someone with shit taste, you've actually got some good points.

That was uncalled for.

Our SEB fan folk appears to be divided on vocaloids. Also, there is a big number of Seb fans who don't buy j-eurobeat releases.

J-Eurobeat is not in any danger, there is a lot of it being released in Japan.
But SEB is only one on a whole of planet and SEB style of music is unique.
Italy has a whole industry of many teams of producers who create music only for Avex in Japan.

Vocaloid series should not be put in place of SEB. They should be produced separately. So both series may run in the same time.

zoupzuop2 wrote:

Wataru Akiyama wrote: You know, for someone with shit taste, you've actually got some good points.

That was uncalled for.

Indeed, it was. Seriously Wataru... give some respect. He achieved things we thought impossible...

Wataru Akiyama wrote:You know, for someone with shit taste, you've actually got some good points.

Wow and I thought I usually came across as a complete asshole.

Lebon14 wrote:

zoupzuop2 wrote:

Wataru Akiyama wrote: You know, for someone with shit taste, you've actually got some good points.

That was uncalled for.

Indeed, it was. Seriously Wataru... give some respect. He achieved things we thought impossible...

Give me a break, bro, it's not like I'm a silly newbie.
I've been here for a half-decade, which is long enough for me to deduce that the old truism about lunacy and genius sticks firm in Zoupy's case.

Also, have you -read- his blog? The dude is a complete stranger to good taste. My Little Pony, seriously? Pfeeeeeeeeh.

Vocaloid on italian eurobeat is nonsense...cuz it destroys the italian concept of vocal power.

But it works o.k. for J-Eurobeat...

zoupzuop2 wrote: • Any remixes of original Miku-associated tunes are handled by the existing SEB labels.
Bad idea
• SEB labels can make their songs duets or "[Artist] feat. Miku" if they so choose, and the song can be original (i.e, not already a "Miku" song)
WORST IDEA
• Labels not currently on SEB can play along, but either their submission must be self-produced Eurobeat or remixed by the existing labels.
Lame idea

Why any "self respecting" vocalist would take vocaloid seriously is beyond me. Just for proposing SEB vocalists to sing duets with a computerized voice says a lot about your "ahem" taste. Maybe the lesser talented/skilled vocalists can sing with machines and in doujin groups, but at least respect vocalists like Pasquini and Dejorio. Italian voices should NOT be marred by Japanese computerized warblings. They at least have some sense of dignity

Wataru Akiyama wrote:>he likes a show I don't like
>therefore his entire taste must be shit

Really? You're going to make an assumption on my entire taste on ONE cartoon that I enjoy every so often? Yes, enough so to create a series of remixes based on it that are bringing plenty of new fans into the genre (It's the first thing people see when they type in "Eurobeat" on Google or Youtube, just sayin'), but it's not like the show runs my life, I enjoy plenty of other shows. I still produce originals (confessedly, less often than I'd like), I still make remixes of other shows (taste didn't seem to be an issue when the Toho Eurobeat series comes out, either)... so what gives?

I really expected better from you, man. What have I done to piss you off, other than like something you don't?

Valianttrust wrote:Why any "self respecting" vocalist would take vocaloid seriously is beyond me. Just for proposing SEB vocalists to sing duets with a computerized voice says a lot about your "ahem" taste. Maybe the lesser talented/skilled vocalists can sing with machines and in doujin groups, but at least respect vocalists like Pasquini and Dejorio. Italian voices should NOT be marred by Japanese computerized warblings. They at least have some sense of dignity[.]

I'm not suggesting that it's a wonderful thing if the original vocalists did these duets, dude. I was suggesting that IF this side-series goes forward, it's one possibility. And, spoiler alert, when I look up what's going on in the Eurobeat world and its demographic(s)— every day, mind you— I happen to catch that Japanese fans like Vocaloids quite a bit. Is that a bad thing for flesh-and-blood vocalists? Most likely. Does that change the fact that they're notable? No. Very clearly they're important enough to avex to warrant releasing songs from/about one, and obviously if the first one sells well they're going to want to do more. SEB vocalists may choose to catch some of this attention or not. The key words you missed were "if they so choose", they may choose not to.

Seeing as this is my day job, I literally spend a bit of time EVERY DAY thinking about this industry— not just my independent works, or my own business, but the genre in whole— and how it could improve from its current state. No, honestly I'd have preferred avex NOT rerelease an album that's already existed on NicoNicoDouga for a couple of years now. You can see my disdain for it in this very thread. Literally all I did was propose that SEB SHOULD try to gain as much as it can from the newfound success in any way possible, then provided methods for how to do so. Would you prefer they released another rehash, all Vocaloid-originals by the same two or three producers, and then only tossing a bone to ONE Italian label for ONE song? If anything, my methods would allow the largest benefits FOR our beloved italian labels.

All I was trying to do was make the best out of a situation that was less than ideal (if SEB artists DO have to share album space, they might as well make the best of it), and you thrash me on the spot. Then you go on and say that doujin groups are somehow less hard-working or deserving than our beloved Italians. And the only grounds on which you base all this... is that I somehow have bad taste for not hating Vocaloids.

Instead of valid reasons why SEB labels and artists shouldn't capitalize on the success of this album, I get ad homonem and suggestions that those who aren't on the "big Italian" side of things aren't worth listening to. Did I personally insult, like, half of you or something with something I said, other than "Avex should probably start utilizing their newfound success so the main series this is a spin-off from can start gaining from it"?

Vadim wrote:Vocaloid on italian eurobeat is nonsense...cuz it destroys the italian concept of vocal power.
But it works o.k. for J-Eurobeat...

The idea of vocal power isn't exclusively Italian, though it's true that J-Euro doesn't quite have the same "punch", vocally, in as many cases as Italian-produced (or American-produced) Eurobeat. I suppose it would remain in the hands of the producers to see if they could work on that idea, if it so interests them.

By the way, thank you, Vadim, for actually responding to the points I made instead of blindly attacking my taste.

Wataru Akiyama wrote:Give me a break, bro, it's not like I'm a silly newbie.
I've been here for a half-decade, which is long enough for me to deduce that the old truism about lunacy and genius sticks firm in Zoupy's case.

Also, have you -read- his blog? The dude is a complete stranger to good taste. My Little Pony, seriously? Pfeeeeeeeeh.

I've also been here for half a decade. Your point?
Each his own taste... I don't like My Little Pony ~Friendship Is Magic~ either. But, if he likes it and does remixes of that, is that your problem? You don't need to listen to his remixes. Same for the touhou remixes. The point is that he's the first one here to have tracks released on SEB. Those are original tracks. You should be respecting him because I know I would not be able to do that.

Back on topic.

Guys, don't forget that Hatsune Miku Eurobeat/fan-amde music is HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE compared to the italian Eurobeat. I know that human voice sounds MUCH better than Miku's software. Avex is still a corporation and need to make cash. Miku = cash for them. Also, for Eurobeat listener and supporters, it should be a golden occasion to try and say "hey don't forget the italian eurobeat!" Inclusing Miku in some way would only help. Haters gonna hate I guess. Both italian and "robotic" voices should complete each other, not competing.

zoupzuop2 wrote:

Wataru Akiyama wrote: You know, for someone with shit taste, you've actually got some good points.

That was uncalled for.

Sorry, I just hadn't to re-quote as I'm totally dumbfounded about the source of that comment!

Sometimes, the internet really isn't a nice place to be, and it's people with narrow minds that don't help it.

Not trying to start a riot, but each to their own.