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magiblot wrote: 15 Aug 2017, 14:02 But clipping and brickwalling aren't the same thing, aren't they? (I assumed clipping was the only artifact caused by "the loudness war")
I have seen clipping in many modern SEB tracks but only Saifam's had brickwalling.
In fact, it seems to me that it was from a certain point in time that their songs began to include brickwalling.

Lebon14 wrote: 15 Aug 2017, 21:06 Yes, they are the same. Brickwalling is the F word equivalent of "clipping", "loudness war" and "compression". It's when producers make the sound so loud that...
1. it distorts
2. there's no difference between quiet and loud

magiblot wrote: 16 Aug 2017, 00:17 Then, why is it that some clipped songs sound distorted and others not?

Lebon14 wrote: 15 Aug 2017, 21:06

magiblot wrote: 15 Aug 2017, 14:02 But clipping and brickwalling aren't the same thing, aren't they? (I assumed clipping was the only artifact caused by "the loudness war")
I have seen clipping in many modern SEB tracks but only Saifam's had brickwalling.
In fact, it seems to me that it was from a certain point in time that their songs began to include brickwalling.

Yes, they are the same. Brickwalling is the F word equivalent of "clipping", "loudness war" and "compression". It's when producers make the sound so loud that...
1. it distorts
2. there's no difference between quiet and loud

drnrg: all your whoes could be fixed with a tagging function in files called "ReplayGain". Look it up. Foobar2000 can even do it all automatically for you.

Lebon14 wrote: 16 Aug 2017, 01:07 Never Know Why is another exemple. It sounds abysmal. Even on SEB. Avex only did a normal normaliztion at 90%. This doesn't improve the sound in any way. It has a dynamic range of 3. And it distorts. I wouldn't be surprised if "Tokyo To Milano (All Around The World)" score something like a 2. 20 is the best btw.

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 Statistics for:    Tokyo To Milano_All Around The World by Tipsy _ Tipsy on MP3, WAV, FLAC, AIFF _ ALAC at Juno Download.MP3
 Number of Samples: 5305651
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 Peak value:      over      ---     over
 Avg RMS:        -3.85 dB   ---    -3.79 dB
 DR channel:      3.26 dB   ---     3.20 dB
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 Official DR value:  DR3 
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 Statistics for:    ARD1412A01M_Tipsy & Tipsy_Tokyo To Milano (All Around The World)_The Factory Team Mix_ITC941706316.mp3
 Number of Samples: 10867968
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 Peak value:      over      ---     over
 Avg RMS:        -3.87 dB   ---    -3.82 dB
 DR channel:      2.83 dB   ---     2.80 dB
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 Official DR value:  DR3 
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 Statistics for:    DirectShowSource.wav
 Number of Samples: 11176087
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 Peak value:      over      ---     over
 Avg RMS:        -5.28 dB   ---    -4.99 dB
 DR channel:      4.43 dB   ---     4.22 dB
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 Official DR value:  DR4 
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Lebon14 wrote: 16 Aug 2017, 01:07 Let's take an exemple. "Fire In The Night" by Ken Martin. The song is pretty compressed. Avex normalized at ~85% and did some declipping on SEB 234. As a single, the song score a dynamic range of 4. On SEB, it rates as 6 (so, yes, it sounds better on SEB). Look up the waveforms.

Lebon14 wrote: 16 Aug 2017, 12:46 The DR value is indeed not a definitive sign of distortion. However, the lower the value, the more chance there is.
DR3 is in line with the Mela track of SEB 243.

You can message them, but they won't like give a flying f*, tbh. It doesn't cost anything though.

Rain197 wrote: 16 Aug 2017, 13:56 Maybe it sound better on SEB234 but is that me or "Fire In The Night" is slower on this album ?

Now we know avex don't like high BPM, "Mela - Change Your Time" is 170 BPM, but 158BPM on SEB233...

Lebon14 wrote: 16 Aug 2017, 01:07 Let's take an exemple. "Fire In The Night" by Ken Martin. The song is pretty compressed. Avex normalized at ~85% and did some declipping on SEB 234. As a single, the song score a dynamic range of 4. On SEB, it rates as 6 (so, yes, it sounds better on SEB). Look up the waveforms.

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 Statistics for:    06 - Ken Martin - Fire in the Night (The Factory Team Mix).mp3
 Number of Samples: 13526831
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 Peak value:      over      ---     over
 Avg RMS:        -5.40 dB   ---    -5.48 dB
 DR channel:      4.04 dB   ---     4.24 dB
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 Official DR value:  DR4 
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SEB VERSION
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 Statistics for:    01. Ken Martin - Fire in the Night.mp3
 Number of Samples: 14554195
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 Peak value:     -0.00 dB   ---    -0.00 dB
 Avg RMS:        -7.43 dB   ---    -7.57 dB
 DR channel:      6.01 dB   ---     6.08 dB
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 Official DR value:  DR6 
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