SEB 176

MarkIventi · Post by **MarkIventi** » 18 Mar 2007, 19:21

I don't think AVEX has multi-track masters - usually these are only delivered upon request. I've worked with many record labels and have never heard of one that demands multi-track masters of all the tracks.

DJ Mike TJG · Post by **DJ Mike TJG** » 18 Mar 2007, 21:53

Well then how would you explain that Avex's megamixes contain versions of tracks that couldn't possibly have come from the standard mix, even in its extended form? I can find a ton of examples of this all over.

Take the very start of SEB 170 Disc 1 - the very start of Bad World has a synth-only/vocal sequence building up to the intro that isn't even present in the Extended version available on Saifam's website. We aren't talking about them taking the song and jigging it around a bit - there is no way the version of the song from 0:10 to 0:35 of Bad World could even be achieved without some access to the raw version of the song.

In some cases I expect that Avex receives vocal-only/"Last Versions" of songs from labels, but in other cases it seems like they're literally able to remove certain parts of the song while leaving others intact.

MarkIventi · Post by **MarkIventi** » 18 Mar 2007, 22:02

Like I said, ON REQUEST. That's very common in the music world and has happened to me as well.

DJ Mike TJG · Post by **DJ Mike TJG** » 18 Mar 2007, 22:10

And given that Avex deals in so many of these songs all the time for its megamixes, do you not think it logical that Avex asks for these as a matter of course anyway?

Your point about multi-track masters may hold up in the industry where publishers deal solely in radio edits, but where you have a publisher which specifically mixes these songs together all the time, it would make far more sense for much more material to be available automatically. I can't imagine it being any different for other DJ-mix publishers such as Ministry Of Sound when requesting music.

MarkIventi · Post by **MarkIventi** » 18 Mar 2007, 22:25

That could be the case, yes. Maybe one shouldn't see AVEX as a record label as much as I do. However, I still have my doubts because I know how much time it takes to export all the tracks seperately. It usually takes me a day or even two days when it's needed for a mix-compilation.

Last.fm · Post by **Bore** » 18 Mar 2007, 23:07

Good points, I never really gave much thought to it, but one track that comes to mind about being completely different on album versions and nonstops would definitely be the Dancing Around The World version on GT 2005. Only Lolita's vocals plus different lyrics for the verse~

(again could be on demand stuff or... not)

drnrg · Post by **drnrg** » 19 Mar 2007, 01:50

Another Track Is Silver- Your easy Love. I have the 12' where clearly Gino Caria does the vocals, but on my SEB 058 Claudio Magnani is singing instead.

Another is Vanessa- Eternity. The SEB versions completely sucks compaired to the 12'. For some reason AVEX decided to shorten the song by leaving out the break. Bad Call on AVEX

Shawaazu · Post by **Shawaazu** » 19 Mar 2007, 10:09

Cover from hmv

Back on topic

The Acappella-ish version of Carillon on GTC 2001 was awesome-ness to the max XD

DJ Mike TJG · Post by **DJ Mike TJG** » 19 Mar 2007, 15:32

Wow, that's actually quite an awesome cover

Schiznik · Post by **Schiznik** » 19 Mar 2007, 19:36

Well, as with almost every SEB album, I cant wait..

drnrg · Post by **drnrg** » 20 Mar 2007, 02:13

That actually is a very cool cover. The smudged makeup is back(not giving SEB a top 10 glitter look) and she looks like she could be atempting to dance to the music.

Still I think SEB 174 is one of the best covers ever. She looks like she is begging for a quick Eurobeat fix

Jion · Post by **Jion** » 20 Mar 2007, 02:49

Another song that had some changes was Lisa & Ace - Getting The Fever the intro. If you get the extended, you'll hear the awesome intro that adds so much to the song.

Mikaeru · Post by **Mikaeru** » 20 Mar 2007, 03:20

Someone mentioned that Kiki & Fancy - Wake Up! had the introduction butchered by Avex. And Newfield said somewhere that one of the Queen26 songs had some rapping in it that got cut by Avex.

DJ Mike TJG · Post by **DJ Mike TJG** » 20 Mar 2007, 08:08

Sometimes Avex's edited is simply applied to the Extended edit directly, as is the case for most of the songs. Although there are some obscure cases - Brian Ice's "I Believe In Lovin' You" being one of them. The radio edit on SEB begins with a vocal-only riff. On the extended edit present on Initial D 4th Stage 2, the song begins with an instrumental, into which the vocal riff is blended.

I'm not sure where Avex is editing and where A-Beat C is editing there. It gets even harder since Initial D edits aren't always the true extended versions of songs (they're sometimes a slightly-edited version, e.g. Remember Me, Running In The Nineties).

Personally I wish Avex would just leave the stuff alone completely, but I guess they have a market to appeal to

Shawaazu · Post by **Shawaazu** » 20 Mar 2007, 08:40

DJ Mike TJG wrote:I'm not sure where Avex is editing and where A-Beat C is editing there. It gets even harder since Initial D edits aren't always the true extended versions of songs (they're sometimes a slightly-edited version, e.g. Remember Me, Running In The Nineties).

I think that happened only in the 1st Stage CDs, since there were 15 songs on them.

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