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Post by drnrg » 20 Jul 2006, 06:48

Jay wrote
Aladdin is definitely a step up from the horrible Mr. Franke(n)stein.
Jay, can you for a slight moment pretend I am Mr. Mauro Farina and I would reply to this post by asking you "What Is so horrible about Mr. Frankenstien"

What would you reply? Please be specific! :(

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Post by Jion » 20 Jul 2006, 07:12

I loooved Mr. Frankestein. Great great song!
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Post by Bore » 20 Jul 2006, 08:02

drnrg wrote:Jay wrote
Aladdin is definitely a step up from the horrible Mr. Franke(n)stein.
Jay, can you for a slight moment pretend I am Mr. Mauro Farina and I would reply to this post by asking you "What Is so horrible about Mr. Frankenstien"

What would you reply? Please be specific! :(
My opinion: Repetitive, lacking the actual punch and annoying (emphasis on the last adjective).

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Post by Ricfiam » 20 Jul 2006, 09:12

I have no problems with Mr.Frank.. but it cannot beat Disco energy what is still my fav now.
I look forward to Aladdin and the new Laurie. Just 1 week more...
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Post by Ebisumaru » 20 Jul 2006, 15:57

Mr. Frankenstein is basically the retarded baby of every song Mauro Farina has ever sung.

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Post by beat freak » 20 Jul 2006, 16:15

Laurie's "Roses Are Red" is fantastic. It's the slower romantic eurobeat like Lolly'O.

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Post by Ebisumaru » 20 Jul 2006, 16:58

I felt that Roses Are Red and Aladdin were extremely boring, but not too bad. I really miss the energetic eurobeat they made, especially the ones with Giovanna as the vocalist. I loved Energy-Girls mostly.

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Post by the_ditz » 20 Jul 2006, 19:34

Rose Are Red is the worst Laurie track yet - like Ebis said, extremely boring and - dare I say it - very very generic; such a dull melody! Lolly'O is far superior to this track without a shadow of a doubt...

Aladdin is a bit meh - it sounds to me like Bombers can't quite decide what sort of sound to have, like they have some serious personality disorder...

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Post by drnrg » 21 Jul 2006, 05:45

Bore wrote
My opinion: Repetitive, lacking the actual punch and annoying (emphasis on the last adjective).
How about not concentrateing too much on how you compare to other songs and seeing it for what it is a Eurobeat Novalty song..... Ah but look deeper and hear the essence of the song. Right after the main chorus, those keys give a really "Gothic" kinda vibe. I picture apparitions floating all over some Rommanian castle. :)

Could the song have been made better? Yes. Maybe by adding some Tubular bells effect (Theme from Exorcist") much like was in the intro of "Aliens II" or better yet a pipe organ sound like Phantom of The Opera. Also a some Vincent Price laughter right befor the main chorus could give it a more Ghastly effect. I have allways thought the intro to the Scooby Doo theme is perfect for some halloween song. Anyway I still do very much enjoy "Mr Frankenstein"!! :P

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Post by Jay » 21 Jul 2006, 07:56

I personally hate all the songs made by Laurie except "The Game" and the recent "Roses Are Red"; I'm quite tolerant with the typical female eurobeat style, but her style just isn't my cup of tea no matter how many times I can listen to her earlier songs. Yes, I also hate the much loved "Hey Guy" that everybody seems to praise. I personally don't see what's great about it (ironically, I'm listening to it now); the song irritates me to no end, but each to their own I say.

Ditz: You're complaining about how Bombers are "changing styles" every other song, yet you contradict yourself in your overview of Laurie's song, stating that it's "boring and too generic." Shouldn't you acknowledge the fact that the alias is at least offering a bit of flavour? Bombers are, afterall, an experimental alias that had no solid principle they sanctioned with their songs from the very start with Superball and Hi Hi Mazinga, as you can't compare those two songs at all in terms of their individual and distinct style. That should be pretty evident by now, with all of the surprising releases and whatnot. I don't think Laurie's song is that generic as opposed to Ken Martin - Fireball (to some degree). Even then, I still like the song, even though it doesn't suit the original Ken Martin style that I used to like a lot (don't get me started on Alamo!)

Drnrg: Mr. Frankenstein just lacked the final punch that Saifam usually invests towards their songs. I'll mention that the only reason I listen to their songs in the first place is because of the action-packed and vigorous style that they offer us, and I felt that the song didn't offer quite that. My opinion about it isn't as brutally honest as some other people's, so be thankful for that.

To be specific, I didn't really like the chorus, as it sounded a bit too dull, and in the end, it just irritated me a slight bit. The only part I liked about the song was the introduction... Minus the strange vocals during that part of the song, which makes me laugh. I don't know what it was, but it was just missing something pretty major that made me not like it. :P Overall, I love Mauro Farina's vocals. That was at least one nice part about the song and every song he sings, haha.

Now, here's a little rant for those who complain about songs becoming 'too generic' or 'sounding like something else':

Let's imagine for a second that the first songs that Saifam released were, in fact, the following:
  • Ken Martin - Fireball
  • Bombers - Mr. Frankenstein (The Boom Boom Mix)
  • Laurie - Roses Are Red (Eurobeat Mix)
  • Lupin - Hey Baby Tonight (Oh Oh Oh Mix)
These four songs are often classed as very generic by a lot of fans of Saifam eurobeat, yet this is the only reason that many people give for hating these songs. What if these four songs were the only eurobeat-styled songs that Saifam released? Upon hearing them for the first time, chances are, you'd love them to death. It's quite wrong to class a song as generic especially if it's from a particular label. I'll go into more detail.

Lupin - Black UFO (a song that quite a lot of people regard as the best Saifam song made in recent years) obviously would not fall under a style that SCP or TIME would typically release. So now I have a question for you: Are you going to love or hate Black UFO more because it might have been released under TIME instead of Saifam? I can actually name a lot of people that would change their opinion of the song if it was released under a different label instead of Saifam, for better or worse, despite all of these labels producing songs of the same genre that Black UFO belongs to. Really, this is actually quite a common exposition that people abide by when it comes to eurobeat, and it kind of puzzles me as I have no idea why people tend to make such generalisations with music. This goes for both types of people that really love or really loathe particular labels; you should be liking what you enjoy listening to, not if it's from a particlar label or artist, all the same.

Anyone that knows my particular taste in eurobeat well enough would know that I feel nobody could match Clara Moroni when it comes to creating tasteless and "generic" songs over and over; however, simply because I may regard a lot of her songs as generic does not mean I hate all of the songs she makes. Stop Teasing My Heart sounds a bit like some of her past songs under Newfield, but I still really love it for some reason. I also really like Happy Phantom, Chemical Love, and Yesterday; all of these songs work for me. I always at least try to give some other type of reasoning when classifying a song of hers as generic if I really loathe it, as you should too.

Eurobeat is all about using the same formula over and over, just with different beats and styles used. This, however, does not mean that eurobeat is a generic fest simply because I can predict what's to expect in most of the new SEB songs that I might listen to. This is simply what I enjoy listening to, and that reason alone.

Face it, just about every song released under the genre sounds exactly like something else one way or another, regardless if the song in question mimics a particular beat or melody from a genre outside of eurobeat. Many people adore Cherry's "Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down)", yet you all may as well class it as "generic", and therefore, hate it, since it's a blatant copy of another song. I could give many more examples of songs that a lot of people really like that sounds exactly like something else, yet these people complain about certain labels becoming "too generic", but I've spent enough time on this post, so I'll stop here. :P You all get the point that I'm trying to make, I hope.

In conclusion, you guys should enjoy or at least appreciate what you get... And if you well and truly hate a song, at least give a reason that is not "because it sounds like something else" or "typical style from [label]" If you strictly followed this line of reasoning, you'd end up hating almost every single eurobeat song.

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Post by drnrg » 22 Jul 2006, 05:24

8) Well, you really explained yourself. I agree with the fact that most fans are bias to certain labels, Myself included, but it also depends with the labels you grew up with. I'm in my 30's, so basically I grew up with TIME,ASIA,FLEA and ABeatC and a few minor labels like High Energy, Stil Novo and Saifam Sub-labels. With that in mind producers like Newfield,Farina ,Moroni,Caria,Dall Ora,Accantino,Pasquinni are my favs, therefore becoming a little bias to thier works. Also making it literally impossible to hate songs produced by TIME,Saifam,or HRG Attack. These just sound incredibly good everytime. The Vocals, the style and even the speed I got used to :)
As for the word "generic" . I think it is an awefull way to express any Eurobeat song. "Generic" means copy, Rip-Off, Fake. These all horrible ways to describe Eurobeat. Yet their are many of us who hear a song from certain label and simply dismiss it as "generic", "Boring" ..and even worse. I actually like all the labels(Of Course I have My favs), but once in a while they(labels) all come up with some real "gems"
I won't get into naming songs or labels, but yeah, they can all make similiar sounding music at one time or another....but like I said before,somthing allways changes, weather it be the B-mello, or chorus or just the lyrics, somthing allways changes. One song is never exactly alike another. Not even the remakes.
On a final note, I would just like to say that "Hey Guy" is an AWESOME song on any label level :twisted:

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Post by Ricfiam » 22 Jul 2006, 06:46

You are right.
The genre what is similar in every song. There are better and worse.
The genre is the Eurobeat, and has its style.
I have my friends who don't like Eurobeat, they say -Hey man all the songs are the same.
No, just the style. I think all rock songs, all rap songs and all pop songs are the same so that's it.
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Post by Bore » 22 Jul 2006, 11:13

drnrg wrote: On a final note, I would just like to say that "Hey Guy" is an AWESOME song on any label level :twisted:
Agree with that, and don't get me wrong on being biased about 3B. I have loved them for years and before they were on SEB I enjoyed them a whole lot more. It's just a fact (at least to my ears) that their productions have gone down the drain ever since. When comparing stuff from Eurobeat Flash/Euromach/VIP to the current SEB releases there's a distinctive difference. The same formula is repeated and like I already said, the punch is no longer there. The same thing happened to HI-NRG Attack.

What's wrong here: 3B and HI-NRG Attack have a _VERY_ distinctive sound that they've created (which can be a good thing), but what's going wrong currently is that you hear 2 notes from the start of the song and you right away know which label it is. They offer very little variety in comparison to a few other labels and they no longer can sustain the interest with similar tracks over and over. The tracks released today are tracks I might've liked 5 years back when they were fresh and new, now it's just like a broken record with little to none of variety.

I at least strongly think that A-Beat C and SCP offer 100 times more variety in their productions and vocalists than HI-NRG Attack and 3B do. You can at least tell the difference right away between the A-Beat C or SCP vocalists and they have clearly different styles with their artists and songs.

The 3B tracks just simple do not reach the same level as they used to do. And this for one applies to nearly _ALL_ eurobeat made currently. There's only a fraction of songs these days that even stick to me in the longer run, 3B hasn't managed that practically at all. And I at least have pretty much thought that 160s have been the worst SEB decade, probably... like ever. The albums are pure mediocore over and over again, the different and fresh tracks offer variety (See: Madison - Without You or Dave - Pride or Van T.K. and Kiki & Fancy - Make Your Move), but over all I'm fearing the genre is just suffering big time due to non inspired productions.

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Post by the_ditz » 22 Jul 2006, 11:34

Yes, drnrg is right - Hey Guy is an awesome song - the best song that Laurie has ever released, which is why I'm so disappointed by the inane repetition contained within Rose Are Red...

In reply to Jay, I don't really understand how I contradicted myself by saying Laurie's new song is generic and boring - that's how I feel about the song. My feelings towards Bombers apparent lack of direction is a completely different topic, but yes I do agree that at least they are trying to vary their style a little from track to track...

The word "generic" is perhaps a word that is being slightly overused in the community as a whole, but I can see no other way of describing certain productions that 3B/Asia, HRG (and occasionally A-Beat C) come up with. If you listen to Akyr, SCP, Delta and Time, they seem to find it much easier to change their sound between artist aliases and tracks, whereas perhaps due to limited vocalists, Asia and HRG find this much more difficult. A-Beat C need to be careful at times as well, as to give a recent example "I Wanna Take You Up" by Lolita could easily have Manuel's vocals transplanted over the top, as virtually everything in the production sounded like a Manuel track...

Anyway, I do still really enjoy Asia's tracks, but it just seems to me that they're the kind of label that either get it spectacularly right (Hey Guy - Laurie, Black UFO - Lupin, Yellow Butterfly - Milk & Coffea) or they spectucularly crash and burn - and personally, I feel that Roses Are Red is an example of one of their "off-days".

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Post by valiant » 06 Oct 2006, 01:43

Been a while since something new happened in this thread.

ARD 1297 Lara Show me that your love
ARD 1298 Danny Rock Oh Dynamite

I cannot wait to see how they are like, it has been 2 months since their latest track? :D

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