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Post by para_rigby » 16 Feb 2016, 16:23

WNight wrote:
synthjunkie wrote:Tracklist lengths are here :P

1. NITROFIRE/Kaioh 4:06
12. PRINCE OF THE NIGHT/Leo River 4:05
15. GOT THE POWER/Fastway 4:13
Hopes for a full length epic dashed yet again, great job GGM/SCP.
This has been pretty on par for length of a song since 221. If they can get in there and do what they need to do to make a great song, around 4 minutes is just fine.

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Post by synthjunkie » 16 Feb 2016, 18:41

Different previews than the ones on the official trailer available right below.

You can hear the verses in these previews, instead of just the choruses as in the official trailer.

http://www.amazon.co.jp/SUPER-EUROBEAT- ... ef=mb_oe_o

The songs that surprised me the most are
Strawberry Heart and Wake Up Everybody With Cupid.
These songs sound so good and give a totally different perspective than the official previews.

All the Dima and SCP/GGM songs are all souding pretty kick-ass

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Post by WNight » 17 Feb 2016, 04:31

para_rigby wrote:This has been pretty on par for length of a song since 221. If they can get in there and do what they need to do to make a great song, around 4 minutes is just fine.
I know, but songs like the female tracks on this album and Run To Me does prove that these two labels (actually, chalk SF up to that list as well) can put up an extended when they feel like it. I have said it before, I just don't think 4 min "extendeds" are usually done well and there's usually "more room for more awesome-ness". Besides, it is just plain false advertising, if we are going to keep on getting 4 min "extendeds" then the album needs to have more songs like pre-187 days.
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Post by drnrg » 17 Feb 2016, 07:12

WNight wrote:
para_rigby wrote:This has been pretty on par for length of a song since 221. If they can get in there and do what they need to do to make a great song, around 4 minutes is just fine.
I know, but songs like the female tracks on this album and Run To Me does prove that these two labels (actually, chalk SF up to that list as well) can put up an extended when they feel like it. I have said it before, I just don't think 4 min "extendeds" are usually done well and there's usually "more room for more awesome-ness". Besides, it is just plain false advertising, if we are going to keep on getting 4 min "extendeds" then the album needs to have more songs like pre-187 days.
Exactly. I also think they could add more to the song with at least a 5 min run TIME; thus making the song all the more special. DELTA , HRG Attack and Sinclaire style seem to be the only ones who make songs longer than 4 and half mins. It's no wonder those are the ones that really keep me interested in the genre.

Anyway, I honestly don't think SCP and GGms are trying to make extendeds? It someTIMEs, even specifies, SEB version,Which is another way to say, SEB edit, next to their songs

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Post by para_rigby » 17 Feb 2016, 13:22

So we did have a time when SCP and GGM did do extends post 186, but I think those were older productions that Avex said, "hey, let's use these longer songs", but I'd have to do a search on that. I'm starting to wonder if it was a contract agreement with Avex that said Avex wanted those labels to shorten the length of their songs or that Avex would just cut down the time themselves.

I'm still a staunch supporter of the 4-4:30 edits. The more I listen to extended versions, the less I believe that have a near 6 minute length does nothing to enhance the song. Yes, there are instances where longer is better (i.e. Pilot is the Hero or Stephy's Mad Desire), but it seems that those long songs don't do a lot to change up the formula or put in something unique.

If I could change one thing about the series at this point is to go back to the 18 track radio edit format. I find myself going to the next track after that 4-4:30 mark.

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Post by drnrg » 18 Feb 2016, 03:49

para_rigby wrote:So we did have a time when SCP and GGM did do extends post 186, but I think those were older productions that Avex said, "hey, let's use these longer songs", but I'd have to do a search on that. I'm starting to wonder if it was a contract agreement with Avex that said Avex wanted those labels to shorten the length of their songs or that Avex would just cut down the time themselves.

I'm still a staunch supporter of the 4-4:30 edits. The more I listen to extended versions, the less I believe that have a near 6 minute length does nothing to enhance the song. Yes, there are instances where longer is better (i.e. Pilot is the Hero or Stephy's Mad Desire), but it seems that those long songs don't do a lot to change up the formula or put in something unique.

If I could change one thing about the series at this point is to go back to the 18 track radio edit format. I find myself going to the next track after that 4-4:30 mark.
haha! If that would happen; I'd find myself reediting them on Audacity; extending them to 5:00 plus; which is what I've been doing for over 10 years now. That is, until extended came back. :wink:

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Post by KiraTM » 22 Feb 2016, 18:17

My (pre-!) order was finally shipped. Man, that took way too much time, even though I've ordered some older 180s SEBs together with 237.

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Post by Lebon14 » 25 Feb 2016, 02:36

I'm distracted at the fact that "Dance For Love"'s riff rips off You Spin Me Right Round (Like A Record). I know, it's an amazing track but damn...
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Post by drnrg » 25 Feb 2016, 04:22

I would need about 100 fingers on each hand if I was to try and count how many x Eurobeat has Borrowed from that classic DOA riff and hook. It's like Eurobeat 101 how to:

Italian Accent? check. Heavy Engrish? check. Heavy Guitar licks? check. Italo melos? check. DOA hook? check

I just made a Eurobeat song. :D.

Thanks Dima for one of the shining tracks on the new compilation

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Post by Bonkers » 28 Feb 2016, 01:02

Who's shooting fireworks? It must be rating time.

Fireworks: Nitrofire, Strawberry Heart, 79, You're Not Alone, Fortune Teller, The Men Burning Wild, Wicked Game

Sparklers: Hot Bikini Girl, Lady Taxi Driver, Got The Power, Kiss Me All The Night, Prince of The Night

Duds: Living on The Edge, Dance For Love, Wake Up Everybody With Cupid

The Brightest of Them All: Stephy Martin-79
The Loudest: Chai-The Men Burining Wild

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Post by Lebon14 » 03 Mar 2016, 00:52

Addicted to "Wake Up Everybody With Cupid". >.<

Nitrofire is also super awesome.
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Post by WNight » 04 Mar 2016, 07:22

Nobody gave a track by track review yet? Then let me be the first.

1. Nitrofire / Kaioh
Anybody remember songs like Dance To The Music and R U Ready? Remember how childish those songs were even though it had energetic backgrounds? Even "Like A Fire" was ... well, not particularly good so imagine my delight when I heard this track. With this, you can definitely tell Dave's influence on Federico is not small. This track is so reminiscent of the middle age A-Beat-C male tracks (ie : SEB 12x - 17x) that you could almost call it a kind of "tribute" to it like how "The Expendables" is a tribute to 80's action movies. The track begins with a soft, slow and gradual build up with a affirming "Go!" before going into a simple sounding, yet powerful and effective riff. The chorus is great and the injection of guitars in a song never fails to make me a happy man. As for what I can say about Kaioh's vocals? He's grown up, and he's a great singer, I won't even compare him with Dave, I love hearing him just as much as the grandmaster himself. The flaw though, 4 mins, but I shan't harp on that. Overall, for those who miss the old sound of the A-Beat-C male tracks, you still aren't getting any of that unfortunately, but this is as close to the old A-Beat-C male tracks as it can get.
Grade : 5/5

2. Living On The Edge / Tipsy & Tipsy
Nah.
Grade : 1/5

3. Wake Up Everybody With Cupid / Grace 2U
Ace gets teamed up with another supposedly new female for a valentine themed track, ugh, joy. Well, for starters, I don't particularly think very highly of the "Ace & (female)" love songs. 2 Love, 4 Love was awesome ... but that was an 11 years old song, aishu and really, that's about it. Outside of that, there's no love themed duets from SCP that I could say I like, probably because they're mostly boring. An extra point because there's Ace&#12290;
Grade : 2/5

4. Dance For Love / Dream Fighters
First off, I have no idea what this song has in relation to whatever DOA song people are mentioning, I don't even know much of the group aside from seeing the name pop up over the course of my time on EB-Prime. As for what to say about this track, it's a Dima track on crack. It's like Davide got up one day feeling the grooviest he ever had, walked to his studio, decided to f'all and just flat out make a high energy tune, throw in a short but adrenaline filled guitar solo, also throw in some reference just because he can and voila, Dance For Love is born. The song itself, depending on personal taste, does sound "lazier" than his standard faire of late, a little on the short side, and is by no means, anything that blows minds from the label besides being probably one of the label's wildest and danciest song to date. This is essentially the Michael Bay of eurobeat tracks, nothing substantial, but good golly, what an exciting track this is!
Grade : 4.5/5

5. Strawberry Heart / Elly
POP, POP and POP. There's just so much mainstream influence in this song that the word 'pop' is all I can think about everytime this song comes on. Now, I have nothing against eurobeat having pop influences but this song, whether by pop or eurobeat standard is not catchy. It has a cool thump thump beat, and to me, that's what this song is really about. No thanks.
Grade : 1.5/5

6. Hot Bikini Girl / LOL
Sinclaire female track 101 with good sounding yet disjointed introductions, quirky melodies, questionable synth usage but excellent songwriting. You either like it, or you don't. I personally think this is one of his worst female track to date since the beginning of 23x, way too quirky for my taste, almost like the female version of Toy For Love[/b] that tries to sound playful yet somewhat serious but fails on both ends, and boy do I hate that song with a passion. I wish the guy would create more epics similar to Prayer, Tearful Eyes or Beat Around, how long has it been since those songs now? His musical prowess tends to shine best creating those type of tracks. For now though, nah.
Grade : 2.5/5

7. Lady Taxi Driver / J.Stark
Delta has been really impressive lately though I am not going to deny that they are very predictable. They are really capable of doing cool sounding tracks and slaying aishu like it's their bitch. This is their "song with attitude" entry on this disc. A track with a really confident tone, very interesting lyrics and a very engaging and memorable tune. Not much else to say but great, GREAT song all around.
Grade : 5/5

8. 79 / Stephy Martini
I personally like hearing Stefania alot but really, her brilliance ended 5 years ago in the 200's, and after that was when her songs simply began to ... not impress. Her songs beginning in the 221 are just, for the lack of a better word, boring - although Flying Free was rather decent but the rest, ugh. Whatever happen to the "explosiveness" that her earlier tracks usually exhibit? This track has an interesting title, a good sounding build up, a great chorus and of course, powerful vocalwork from Stefania herself, which is all fine and good, but it's sorely missing the "epic-ness" of songs like Fever Of Love which is her signature and is what made me a fan of her tracks in the first place. Is it a bad song? No, not at all. In fact, I'll go as far as saying it's the best song she has done ever since 221. However, when a track makes you feel like listening to another track from the same artist, that's where you know you have a problem.
Grade : 3.5/5

9. You Are Not Alone / Paul Harris
The aishu entry from Delta on this disc. Just hearing the piano introduction was enough to make me smile, but when the riff drops, that was when I got completely swept away. Again, very interesting choice of words for the lyrics which makes the song even more awesome. A totally worthy follow up to the already amazing Crazy Information Not much else to say about Delta tracks but : Best song on SEB 237, hands down.
Grade : 5/5

10. Fortune Teller / Dee Dee Wonder
Malvicino era Hi-NRG Attack is great at coming up with really innovative background melodies but the vocal melodies, that's all they can do? Saying they all sound the same might be too much of a generalization but I swear I hear minimal differences between all of their female tracks. Know how to sing along to Cover Girl? Well, you probably sang about 85% of all their other female songs too. This one is not an exception, I love hearing the melody to this song but I am totally not invested in the not so good vocal melody, which results in me not enjoying this song as much as I want to. Elisabetta just doing her thing, no complains there. Not a bad song overall, but, c'mon
Grade : 3/5

11. Kiss Me All The Night / Baby Gold
Again, who came up with the vocal melodies? Is this the best they can do? I've heard elisebetta singing similar stuff 5 mins ago and since "Hot Milk", aside from a couple of minor deviations, they barely sound very different from each other! How about a new Lady Speed Racer? Thank goodness they are extremely good at making and innovating everything else because otherwise, I would have no idea what to make of Malvicino era Hi-NRG Attack. This track has a MUCH better sounding background melody then the previous track because I am a sucker for more melancholic sounding tunes but it basically suffers the same flaw in that I am not invested in whatever Elisebetta is singing. Moderately excellent tune overall.
Grade : 3.5/5

12. Prince Of The Night / Leo River
When GGM brings out both Kaioh and Leo River in a single album, you know they aren't screwing around. These two represent the male energy of GGM and it's a joy to see their name on SEB, let alone two tracks. This track is more standard GGM production but you can never go wrong with Federico as producer. The song mostly trods on mid-tempo and has some interesting elements but the real highlight is really Silvio's vocal presentation and the vocal melody. I have never heard Leo sounding this good before, especially when he says "Get out of my way!", nothing special but I just love hearing him belt that line out. The vocal melody as I've said, is very memorable and fun to sing along to, which as I've said is one of the hallmarks of what makes a great track. The flaw as usual is that it runs at only sub 4 mins, but obviously I won't talk about that in this review. Overall, this track was pretty much fail proof. Leo, like Kaioh has came a long way since their debut days and their improvements and musical prowess really show in their respective tracks here. Way to go, GGM!
Grade : 5/5

13. The Men Burning Wild / Chai
Again, while Sinclaire really has the knack to make very unique and insanely memorable melodies but sometimes, they just don't really hold up against everything else. Maybe it's because arguably the best Sinclaire male track got released last album and I'm still in awe over it but this track in comparison, just sounds so slow, long and draggy in comparison it could cure my insomnia. The track has a nice sounding introduction, decent vocal presentation and good chorus but other than those, I don't think this song is that great.
Grade : 3/5

14. Wicked Game / Milk & Coffea
Wasn't this song already released like a year ago? What, were there not enough songs for SEB? LOL-worthy introduction/break and excellent chorus define this track for me. I still don't care for Saifam's tracks BUT on the bright side ... at least this is not rock bottom.
Grade : 2.5/5

15. Got The Power / Fastway
Like Stefania, my opinion is that Ennio has had better days. Not that his recent songs are bad, but the last Fastway track that really defines everything Ennio is known for would be Hyper Super Powers, and that was a good 3 years ago. Is it about the synth? It could be, because something definitely changed after the The Element Of Fire and since then, Ennio's songs just doesn't have the same oomph anymore. This track is still relatively powerful compared to most of the other SCP tracks on this album but it just sounds really empty and hollow as compared to what you'd normally expect out of a Fastway track. That doesn't make this a bad track, no, far from it, but with Ennio's rich discography, it's not hard to find a couple of songs by him that can outdo this track by a mile so in a sense, no you ain't got the power in this track.
Grade : 3.5/5

Top 3:
You Are Not Alone / Paul Harris
Lady Taxi Driver / J.Stark
Prince Of The Night / Leo River

Bottom 3:
Saifam tracks
The two new aliases from SCP (That makes 4 but screw it)

HM:
Nitrofire / Kaioh
Dance For Love / Dream Fighters (I HAD to, the song is too awesome to be left out of this)
You and me like a fire tonight
Me and you 2 guardian angels
Now I feel your touch into my heart
A ray of sun~

- Guardian Angels / Oceania

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Post by drnrg » 05 Mar 2016, 06:43

WNight wrote:Nobody gave a track by track review yet? Then let me be the first.

1. Nitrofire / Kaioh

Grade : 5/5

2. Living On The Edge / Tipsy & Tipsy
Nah.
Grade : 1/5

3. Wake Up Everybody With Cupid / Grace 2U

Grade : 2/5

4. Dance For Love / Dream Fighters

Grade : 4.5/5

5. Strawberry Heart / Elly

Grade : 1.5/5

6. Hot Bikini Girl / LOL

Grade : 2.5/5

7. Lady Taxi Driver / J.Stark

Grade : 5/5

8. 79 / Stephy Martini

Grade : 3.5/5

9. You Are Not Alone / Paul Harris
Best song on SEB 237, hands down.
Grade : 5/5

10. Fortune Teller / Dee Dee Wonder

Grade : 3/5

11. Kiss Me All The Night / Baby Gold

Grade : 3.5/5

12. Prince Of The Night / Leo River

Grade : 5/5

13. The Men Burning Wild / Chai

Grade : 3/5

14. Wicked Game / Milk & Coffea

Grade : 2.5/5

15. Got The Power / Fastway

Grade : 3.5/5

Top 3:
You Are Not Alone / Paul Harris
Lady Taxi Driver / J.Stark


Bottom 3:
Saifam tracks


HM:
Nitrofire / Kaioh
Dance For Love / Dream Fighters (I HAD to, the song is too awesome to be left out of this)
Extremely good review.

I can't believe how similiar our thoughts of this cd are. Even with the total absence of Sun Fire, somehow GGMs ended up channeling Dave's writing style for "NITROFIRE"

BTW; The DOA(Dead Or Alive) song that that is being referenced to when speaking of "Dance For Love", is "You Spin Me Round (like A Record). The same song that has inspired many past classics like "Hearbreaker", "Virtual Love", "Heart and Body", "Rainbow" from Delta's ODA and 1000s more. It's the hook right after the chorus. Dima even borrows the line "I Want Your Love" from the original song. For me this is the best song on the cd after; of course, The wonderful; "You Are Not Alone" from Paul Harris. 8)

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Post by WNight » 05 Mar 2016, 16:59

drnrg wrote:Extremely good review.

I can't believe how similiar our thoughts of this cd are. Even with the total absence of Sun Fire, somehow GGMs ended up channeling Dave's writing style for "NITROFIRE"

BTW; The DOA(Dead Or Alive) song that that is being referenced to when speaking of "Dance For Love", is "You Spin Me Round (like A Record). The same song that has inspired many past classics like "Hearbreaker", "Virtual Love", "Heart and Body", "Rainbow" from Delta's ODA and 1000s more. It's the hook right after the chorus. Dima even borrows the line "I Want Your Love" from the original song. For me this is the best song on the cd after; of course, The wonderful; "You Are Not Alone" from Paul Harris. 8)
Thank you drnrg. I took a listen to the original song and it is indeed a nice song, an earworm even. I think that's why many eurobeat producers like to draw influence from it? Really short though, but I think that's how 80's songs are.
You and me like a fire tonight
Me and you 2 guardian angels
Now I feel your touch into my heart
A ray of sun~

- Guardian Angels / Oceania

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Post by drnrg » 06 Mar 2016, 04:00

WNight wrote:
drnrg wrote:Extremely good review.

I can't believe how similiar our thoughts of this cd are. Even with the total absence of Sun Fire, somehow GGMs ended up channeling Dave's writing style for "NITROFIRE"

BTW; The DOA(Dead Or Alive) song that that is being referenced to when speaking of "Dance For Love", is "You Spin Me Round (like A Record). The same song that has inspired many past classics like "Hearbreaker", "Virtual Love", "Heart and Body", "Rainbow" from Delta's ODA and 1000s more. It's the hook right after the chorus. Dima even borrows the line "I Want Your Love" from the original song. For me this is the best song on the cd after; of course, The wonderful; "You Are Not Alone" from Paul Harris. 8)
Thank you drnrg. I took a listen to the original song and it is indeed a nice song, an earworm even. I think that's why many eurobeat producers like to draw influence from it? Really short though, but I think that's how 80's songs are.

Yeah short. Kinda reminds you of an SEB edit. Doesn't it? :P

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