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Maybe it's just me, but I'm rather tired of the somewhat limited spectrum in which this stuff is available. Sure you have your itunes, juno, and other paid download sources to purchase songs. And of course there are always the various compilations and the SEB albums, but unless you live in Japan you have to import that shit and pay way too much for it.

As far as I can tell, other than this site (which is incredible and very well-constructed, don't get me wrong), any information you might find on the internet is really scattered and at times confusing or poorly written/translated. Not only that, but most everything is written by fans, and I'd really like to see some official quality marketing from the labels themselves.

I've been working on the Rainbowdragoneyes experience for the last 2 years, and I'm just now getting my feet wet. I got some songs on an Akyr comp, but we'll see if that even proves to be fruitful. I have no idea what is being done as far as promotion, but apparently it's selling, tho there is no way for me to gauge how well.

Basically, I want to do something different. My original intention with RDE was to treat it as if it were a band- play live shows, go on tour, sell CDs, make T shirts, etc... because as a drummer for several bands, that's all I know to do with any musical project. I still intend to do all this, but it's a slow process doing everything myself, and I don't dare make any hasty moves (like booking a show) if all the pieces aren't in place, if I am to even think about blowing peoples' minds.

What inspired this post was reading zoupzuop2's post about the random sloppy Akyr release on itunes. Wouldn't it be nice if Akyr (or any and every other label for that matter) had a really slick website you could go to, read about what's going on, browse through artists/releases, read bios of people involved, see pictures of stuff, sign up for a mailing list? It is my experience in the music industry that things like this are obligatory if you want exposure of any kind, and Eurobeat seems to be very lacking in that regard.

I'm sure some of you on here may correct me on a few statements, and I can't read japanese so I have no idea what takes place on any japanese sites (google translations don't cut it) but the fact that I am posting this should show that there just isn't enough readily-available information from the Eurobeat labels. Anytime I look something up I have to piece together bits and pieces of information from random websites and myspace pages.

It's nice we have the fine staff of EBP working as a central hub for reviews and the like, but I still feel like something is amiss. What do you think?

RAINBOWDRAGONEYES wrote:Maybe it's just me, but I'm rather tired of the somewhat limited spectrum in which this stuff is available. Sure you have your itunes, juno, and other paid download sources to purchase songs. And of course there are always the various compilations and the SEB albums, but unless you live in Japan you have to import that shit and pay way too much for it.

There's already an active discussion about the limited availability of eurobeat in this topic; just browse through the last few pages.

RAINBOWDRAGONEYES wrote:As far as I can tell, other than this site (which is incredible and very well-constructed, don't get me wrong), any information you might find on the internet is really scattered and at times confusing or poorly written/translated. Not only that, but most everything is written by fans, and I'd really like to see some official quality marketing from the labels themselves.

Most labels do not have a strong grasp of the English language. Take a look at the lyrics of any song written by Eurogrooves or Hi-NRG Attack, and then ask yourself if they even have the capabilities to write a fluent, clear description and history of eurobeat that everybody will be able to understand. I think not. The information provided by the fans is reliable and decent, but it needs organising.

As far as eurobeat's promotion goes, that's the publisher's responsibility (Avex), not the label's. As you'll see in the topic I directed you to, the labels have tried to promote eurobeat through iTunes, Juno and other digital mediums, but Avex have largely restricted them from going further. It's a huge dilemma that many feel will put the future of eurobeat at risk.

With that said, I agree that the information available is scattered and incoherent. Even the content on the Eurobeat Prime website is very outdated; for instance, the history page does not mention Go Go's Music or Dima Music, and lists Vibration as an active label, including their mailing address, despite disbanding many moons ago. Given that Bore is very busy these days, I doubt it'll be fully updated anytime soon.

RAINBOWDRAGONEYES wrote:Wouldn't it be nice if Akyr (or any and every other label for that matter) had a really slick website you could go to, read about what's going on, browse through artists/releases, read bios of people involved, see pictures of stuff, sign up for a mailing list? It is my experience in the music industry that things like this are obligatory if you want exposure of any kind, and Eurobeat seems to be very lacking in that regard.

Didn't Akyr disband? I'm not sure; I haven't kept up with what's happened with them.

Anyway, if you don't believe this website is slick, then I don't know what you're talking about. Of course, this website was only created recently, but I feel it may compel other labels to follow a similar suit. You need to remember that the money involved in hiring a professional to create a slick website is absolutely staggering. Considering eurobeat is only a niche genre, I doubt all the labels would possess the funds to create something like Go Go's Music has, but it's a start.

Ah, I had not seen the Gogo's website up and running, that is great! Looks fantastic, lots of content, exactly what I would like to see more of.

It's not difficult nor is it expensive to have a good-looking website done up and to keep it maintained.. but that is not the focus of this topic.

Let me sort of take this in a different direction- forget about Avex or anyone that has nothing to do with the creative process.

If this was a fantasy land- what would you like to see being done that isn't being done?

RAINBOWDRAGONEYES wrote: And of course there are always the various compilations and the SEB albums, but unless you live in Japan you have to import that shit and pay way too much for it.

SEB is not that expensive, geesh. People overstate the cost of it.

RAINBOWDRAGONEYES wrote:
As far as I can tell, other than this site (which is incredible and very well-constructed, don't get me wrong), any information you might find on the internet is really scattered and at times confusing or poorly written/translated. Not only that, but most everything is written by fans, and I'd really like to see some official quality marketing from the labels themselves.

like jay was saying, it is a niche market, so that's why there isn't that much published material. Although, i'm not quite sure what information you'd be looking for that is so hard to find on Japanese websites?

RAINBOWDRAGONEYES wrote:
I have no idea what is being done as far as promotion, but apparently it's selling, tho there is no way for me to gauge how well.

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RAINBOWDRAGONEYES wrote:

Basically, I want to do something different. My original intention with RDE was to treat it as if it were a band- play live shows, go on tour, sell CDs, make T shirts, etc... because as a drummer for several bands, that's all I know to do with any musical project. I still intend to do all this, but it's a slow process doing everything myself, and I don't dare make any hasty moves (like booking a show) if all the pieces aren't in place, if I am to even think about blowing peoples' minds.

What inspired this post was reading zoupzuop2's post about the random sloppy Akyr release on itunes. Wouldn't it be nice if Akyr (or any and every other label for that matter) had a really slick website you could go to, read about what's going on, browse through artists/releases, read bios of people involved, see pictures of stuff, sign up for a mailing list? It is my experience in the music industry that things like this are obligatory if you want exposure of any kind, and Eurobeat seems to be very lacking in that regard.

I'm sure some of you on here may correct me on a few statements, and I can't read japanese so I have no idea what takes place on any japanese sites (google translations don't cut it) but the fact that I am posting this should show that there just isn't enough readily-available information from the Eurobeat labels. Anytime I look something up I have to piece together bits and pieces of information from random websites and myspace pages.

SCP had/has a page that does that as well. Along with SinclaireStyle.

I don't really understand how the OP complains about things being too japanese when the japanese language isn't impossible to learn.

Tiger wrote:like jay was saying, it is a niche market, so that's why there isn't that much published material. Although, i'm not quite sure what information you'd be looking for that is so hard to find on Japanese websites?

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I don't really understand how the OP complains about things being too japanese when the japanese language isn't impossible to learn.

Even niches would have a motivation to have information to display to the masses (in most cases, to cease being a niche and become mainstream). Also, perhaps there are things we non-Japanese-speaking folk missed in our discoveries that Japan has regarded as "duh" for some time?

Even I have trouble finding the "most recent" Oricon chart positions.

"OP"? 4chan is THAT ---> way. At Eurobeat Prime we treat our members better than an Anonymous poster. You should be able to recognize the producer behind "Dance On Fire" and "Blue Sky" and give him his proper respects, not brush him off.

And, you're right, Japanese isn't impossible to learn, but it's been widely regarded as one of the hardest for English-speakers to learn (citation here, scroll towards the bottom). So as you can see it's not exactly a light burden to pick up. Rewarding, yes, but not conducive to most of our lifestyles.

(If I recall right, Akyr once had a website too... whatever happened to that one?)

All right guys, let's get back on track and keep it realistic.

Regardless of the difficulty of learning to speak and read a language like Japanese, that has absolutely no bearing on the conversation at hand.

Facts are facts, and many of you obviously know more than me. Perhaps I should reword my "OP," and I will do so thusly:

What would you like to see/hear/read if you got wind of a new label? Is a simple myspace page with yet another explanation of Eurobeat, and a digital compilation album you have to search for good enough (ahem BEATFIRE)? Is everyone satisfied enough with the way it makes itself available (because you already know where to look), or would you like it presented in a better manner?

RAINBOWDRAGONEYES

What would you like to see/hear/read if you got wind of a new label? Is a simple myspace page with yet another explanation of Eurobeat, and a digital compilation album you have to search for good enough (ahem BEATFIRE)? Is everyone satisfied enough with the way it makes itself available (because you already know where to look), or would you like it presented in a better manner?

First off, great to see you take in interest in the Eurobeat forum. Still waiting to a cool follow up to Dance On Fire.

Beat Fire is pretty effective the way it's presented. Myspace and Juno, but anyone who types in Beat Fire on a google search will easily see the very first link direct them to the Beat Fire .com page, wich is very simple. It actually just shows a tracklist with another link to Juno downloads. An email address also appears.

The best Eurobeat webpage for me has always been HRG Attack's page. Good artist information and pics as well as trends. They even had a forum at one TIME and It even show a complete catalog of all thier songs. DELTA was had one like this and so did Dave Rodgers.com. The one that really never showcased Eurobeat in an effective manner was TIME. They concentrated more on thier housy style. Saifam's page has complete catolog, but that site is merely for purchase and has no info on Eurobeat persay. I don't think ist's still up, but Vibration once had a pretty effective website as well.
I guess GGM, SCP and esp HRG Attack are the best right now.

hey, so howabout putting one up for Rainbowdragoneyes. I mean besides myspace

drnrg wrote:First off, great to see you take in interest in the Eurobeat forum. Still waiting to a cool follow up to Dance On Fire.

Thank you! I've been real busy playing for several bands, and also honing my production skills.. But I have no less than 3 I'm working on at the moment, one of which is holding out for the right singer.
Also I stop by here from time to time but usually don't feel the need to post anything.

drnrg wrote:hey, so howabout putting one up for Rainbowdragoneyes. I mean besides myspace

This is actually exactly why I posted this topic. I was slightly unsure of how I wanted to present/promote RDE.. Because its not a straight-up Eurobeat label, though I plan on using a bunch of different singers. Basically I wanted to do something different to appeal to a wider audience; for instance, if I played a show at the local bar here in East Nashville, all the hipster douchebags who frequent there would just go apeshit. I will make them understand, and it WILL happen.

I think I am beginning to figure it out tho. In the meantime I'm going to continue to lay low and write songs while I plan everything out. This crowd will be amongst the first to hear when anything comes up. Thanks y'all.

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