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Javy · Post by **Javy** » 21 Jun 2009, 23:34

#Infinity wrote:Why don't SEB records even show up in Japanese stores anyway? That's sure to take a tremendous toll on the sales of the whole series.

If the shop doesn't sell that series successfully then the mananger/orderer doesn't any more copies for that store since it would be a waste. The same principle applies over here in stores like best buy and F.Y.E. My store didn't start selling Doctor Who till I started buying a crapton XD Now we have it out the wazoo. Mind you when I was in Tokyo the shop I was at had a boatload of SEB but it was mostly older older stuff and parapara releases.

the_ditz · Post by **the_ditz** » 22 Jun 2009, 08:48

Yeah, HMV Shibuya was the only store that I found Super Eurobeat releases, but they only have about 12 in total, and they were all between 171 and 195 (with a few Best of... and XX0 countdowns in for good measure).

It seems that most of the sales probably come from online CD sales (e.g. CDJapan)?

DJ Mike TJG · Post by **DJ Mike TJG** » 22 Jun 2009, 09:31

I would imagine you're more likely to find old SEBs in second-hand stores where people can trade stuff in? Assuming that exists in Tokyo? (I seem to recall you can get a lot of second-hand video games that way).

DarkSky · Post by **DarkSky** » 23 Jun 2009, 21:25

Hmmm and all of you should know that the illegal sharing of Eurobeat music is increasing. I often take a look at IDForums (not for downloading -.-) and when I see how many Eurobeat albums are being shared on there, that's just ridicilous.
I buy my CDs and songs on iTunes, but I expect 1 out of 100 foreign Eurobeat listeners actually buys the music instead of downloading.
And when I take a look at the location of these members who downloadthe music I can see more Japanese members than last year.
So that means the Japanese listeners that don't want to pay for Eurobeat is increasing too!

Ofcourse that's not good for the earnings of Avex which might can lead to the end of Eurobeat too. Because when a company can't make any profit out of a product anymore they'll end producing them.

the_ditz · Post by **the_ditz** » 23 Jun 2009, 21:36

I know we've been here before, but I wanted to add this...

I don't generally buy CD's, but I'm happy to pay for legal digital downloads of SEB albums if Avex makes them available. Unfortunately we've all been through this debate before and it is so difficult to find legal downloads that people - especially outwith Japan - will be naturally inclined to download if they see an album they otherwise couldn't afford to import (shipping charges can really hurt someone's pocket to be honest, and the discs from Japan really aren't cheap anyway when you compare them to compilation discs in other countries).

But anyway - I have 2,100 Yen left on my last iTunes card to grab some 198 tracks when they appear, but until then I will admit that I listened to a copy of the nonstop mix from the internet as I don't want to own the megamix but wanted to hear a couple of the tracks without having to wait virtually another month for the extended versions to appear on iTunes. If that makes me scum, then so be it - but I will support the series when I can buy the extended versions, and only then.

DarkSky · Post by **DarkSky** » 24 Jun 2009, 05:23

Alright, but I think the Japanese people who want to listen to Eurobeat don't want to pay for it anymore because now there are so many sources to get the music from. For free.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 24 Jun 2009, 09:09

DarkSky wrote:Alright, but I think the Japanese people who want to listen to Eurobeat don't want to pay for it anymore because now there are so many sources to get the music from. For free.

Other genres aren't immune to these problems though; it's an issue for the entire music industry.

Granted, piracy and whatnot may have a more debilitating effect on eurobeat, but how do you propose we stop it? Those who champion piracy will not suddenly change their minds and start buying eurobeat. Why not? Selfishness. The pirates believe their interests in saving money overrides that of saving the genre from a likely death due to lack of profits. Furthermore, as I'm sure you're already aware, it's worth noting that many people have tried to persuade the general population of IDW to buy and support the music they love, but with little success (Lebon14 is a notable exception).

The end of the Super Eurobeat series is inevitable; it's a question of 'when', rather than 'if'. A few years ago, I proposed that the series would end at or around volume 200, and I'm still sticking by that. I recall drnrg and some others telling me that I was being highly negative, but nowadays, it seems reasonable to say that doubt has been casted over its longevity. I personally can't envisage the series lasting much longer beyond volume 200; even still, it's probable that eurobeat will survive for years after that, perhaps under a new set of wings (i.e., FARM). I wouldn't worry about it too much until that moment arrives.

DarkSky · Post by **DarkSky** » 26 Jun 2009, 19:34

You're right Jay,
But there's some good news too..
Eurobeat is becoming more and more popular in South-America.
Countries such as Chile and Brazil have many Eurobeat fans, I even know one from El Salvador and Venezuela.

So.. maybe Eurobeat is moving to another place?

Tiger · Post by **Tiger** » 26 Jun 2009, 19:39

DarkSky wrote:You're right Jay,
But there's some good news too..
Eurobeat is becoming more and more popular in South-America.
Countries such as Chile and Brazil have many Eurobeat fans, I even know one from El Salvador and Venezuela.

So.. maybe Eurobeat is moving to another place?

um... i don't know of many people who buy eurobeat in South America. 1 or 10 people isn't going to cut it

DarkSky · Post by **DarkSky** » 26 Jun 2009, 19:49

Tiger wrote:
DarkSky wrote:You're right Jay,
But there's some good news too..
Eurobeat is becoming more and more popular in South-America.
Countries such as Chile and Brazil have many Eurobeat fans, I even know one from El Salvador and Venezuela.

So.. maybe Eurobeat is moving to another place?
um... i don't know of many people who buy eurobeat in South America. 1 or 10 people isn't going to cut it

Yesh you're right, probably because South America is pretty poor on most places..

Hmm, I don't think an end of Eurobeat can be avoided.
And like somebody stated before, it's not the question IF anymore, but we should all think about WHEN it should happen.

zoupzuop2 · Post by **zoupzuop2** » 27 Jun 2009, 00:17

DarkSky wrote: Hmm, I don't think an end of Eurobeat can be avoided.
And like somebody stated before, it's not the question IF anymore, but we should all think about WHEN it should happen.

The context of the "if vs. when" commentary was about Super Eurobeat as a compilation, not Eurobeat as a genre.

Has any genre truly "ended"? People still pay for tickets to hear blues/jazz musicians, if not cabaret shows and musicals. Traditional rockabilly/rock 'n roll still has its market, even if merely a niche. There are still markets for "dead" genres in most cases; why should Eurobeat be any different? Even if it does happen, it would have a "lifespan" of nearly double any modern genre in the 21st century.

drnrg · Post by **drnrg** » 27 Jun 2009, 00:32

zoupzuop2

rock 'n roll still has its market, even if merely a niche.

Sorry, but this made me laugh. I know you guys don't listen to Rock, but let me tell you that it's stronger than ever. Nickelback,Shinedown, Saving Abel, Daughtry,Hinder, Theory Of A DeadMan all have top 10 hits, 80's bands like Def Leppard ,Whitsnake and the immortal U2 released cds this year. I could name 20 or so more bands on youtube with Rock influence sound. The Adult Radio audience has embraced Rock oriented groups like the Script, Parachute, OAR, David Cook as well as the bands mentioned above. Alternatiove Radio has The Killers, Green Day and Coldplay. Rock is booming

I actually think peeps are getting fed up of the garbage of 3Oh!3 and Soljia Boy gunk or whatever his name is and there could be light at the end of the tunnel for music.

Check me out on my last FM and see my playlist consisting of Rock, Eurobeat and 80's music. if you are into 3Oh!3 and Lady Gaga don't bother

http://www.lastfm.es/user/drnrg31

Brisk · Post by **Brisk** » 27 Jun 2009, 00:58

Unless I'm mistaken, rock 'n roll is different from just plain rock music. Mostly related to bluegrass/jazz of the south in the 40s.

Javy · Post by **Javy** » 27 Jun 2009, 02:00

drnrg wrote:zoupzuop2
rock 'n roll still has its market, even if merely a niche.

Sorry, but this made me laugh. I know you guys don't listen to Rock, but let me tell you that it's stronger than ever. Nickelback,Shinedown, Saving Abel, Daughtry,Hinder, Theory Of A DeadMan all have top 10 hits, 80's bands like Def Leppard ,Whitsnake and the immortal U2 released cds this year. I could name 20 or so more bands on youtube with Rock influence sound. The Adult Radio audience has embraced Rock oriented groups like the Script, Parachute, OAR, David Cook as well as the bands mentioned above. Alternatiove Radio has The Killers, Green Day and Coldplay. Rock is booming

I actually think peeps are getting fed up of the garbage of 3Oh!3 and Soljia Boy gunk or whatever his name is and there could be light at the end of the tunnel for music.

Check me out on my last FM and see my playlist consisting of Rock, Eurobeat and 80's music. if you are into 3Oh!3 and Lady Gaga don't bother

http://www.lastfm.es/user/drnrg31

He's talking about the type of rock that was prevalent in the 50-60s not the kind of rock that is from the late 70s-today.

drnrg · Post by **drnrg** » 27 Jun 2009, 02:10

Javy

He's talking about the type of rock that was prevalent in the 50-60s not the kind of rock that is from the late 70s-today.

ahh..We are talking about the Stray Cats, & Cherry Poppin Daddy's eh?

Brian Setzer is still with his big Band.

haha! the lead singer of Theory Of A Dead Man sports a Rock A Billy pomp.

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