SPECULATION: SEB's ending at 200? Or not?

[Bore]

Rihanna rocks :C

The point of view concerning western music genres as a whole does seem slightly out of place. We're on an eurobeat forum so naturally the people here like the genre and such, but comparisons and justifications made based on the popularity and style of a genre are void. I am hardly the biggest fan of western music as a whole, but there are good and bad examples of the various genres and while most I don't consider good, the highlights do shine bright. The rap, R&B & hip hop songs as a whole are much like eurobeat, they sound similar and are done with a structure that follows a pretty identical form. That doesn't really provide eurobeat any better claims in any way, plus the skillfully produced songs from any genre are masterpieces and will remain in history with good reasons.

Being a fan of eurobeat goes without saying, but I still wouldn't exactly call the genre as a whole to be that special, it doesn't necessarily stand out as the most important or special kind of music out there, and it doesn't have to. Most dancemusic genres simply are made to make people feel good and get a move on. Sure there are examples of songs that go further than the generic stuff, but over all I'd still leave classical music and such in a different category, that's not where eurobeat belongs in.

Eurobeat = Fun, and that's what I want more than anything, not some hypocritically deep & profound stuff.

And concerning the question and actual thread in question. Whether SEB ends or not, I wouldn't really stress out about it that much. As other people've already pointed out, there'll be other venues to get the music through if Avex decides to drop the ball. But naturally hoping for an another 200 more at minium.

[pokecapn]

I'm not even worried about SEB ending or not. What I'm really worried about is the continuous sensless junk comming out of the U.S: and contaminating the youth worlwide and at an alarming rate. By American music , I'm sure you mean the abomination from such innane artists like Soldja Boy, Chris brown, Lil Wayn and Rihanna crap. This is not even music. Just a bunch of sampled crap lined over by a bunch of vocalists who are either hoodlims or strippers.

If the Japanese are now falling prey to such junk and concider it good music, then you can thank the U.S. for spreading that virus all over the world. Even in my country ,the youngsters are favoring that crap over thier own music. Youngserts now adays don't even get a chance to develope thier own taste in music. The Music industries, mainly Ameriacn ones, infect everything they sell with thier own type of music, cell phones,
ringtones, commericials, ect... and basically BRAINWASH the youth into succumbing to that junk and leaving them with nothing else and in the process wiping out all other genres of real music, till thier is nothing left but a bunch of stupid, sensless noise, that in 20 years noone will even remember.

If the Japanese are now preferring this crap over musical compositions. Beautiful lyrics, wonderful musical melodies, catchy dancable beats, that is Eurobeat, Then Heaven help us all and if AVEX wants to bow down( I say this , because they are a powerful enough industry to push, promote and saturate the Airwaves with Eurobeat if they wanted to) and let American Hip Hop feast on thier blood and contaminate thier youth, then screw them. They are not worthy to carry Eurobeat into the next millenium. 'nuff said

Yeah, fuck that Elvis guy too, he's a loose cannon and he compromised the morals of teenagers everywhere.

I think you're just getting too old for pop music

[Lebon14]

I'm not even worried about SEB ending or not. What I'm really worried about is the continuous sensless junk comming out of the U.S: and contaminating the youth worlwide and at an alarming rate. By American music , I'm sure you mean the abomination from such innane artists like Soldja Boy, Chris brown, Lil Wayn and Rihanna crap. This is not even music. Just a bunch of sampled crap lined over by a bunch of vocalists who are either hoodlims or strippers.

If the Japanese are now falling prey to such junk and concider it good music, then you can thank the U.S. for spreading that virus all over the world. Even in my country ,the youngsters are favoring that crap over thier own music. Youngserts now adays don't even get a chance to develope thier own taste in music. The Music industries, mainly Ameriacn ones, infect everything they sell with thier own type of music, cell phones,
ringtones, commericials, ect... and basically BRAINWASH the youth into succumbing to that junk and leaving them with nothing else and in the process wiping out all other genres of real music, till thier is nothing left but a bunch of stupid, sensless noise, that in 20 years noone will even remember.

If the Japanese are now preferring this crap over musical compositions. Beautiful lyrics, wonderful musical melodies, catchy dancable beats, that is Eurobeat, Then Heaven help us all and if AVEX wants to bow down( I say this , because they are a powerful enough industry to push, promote and saturate the Airwaves with Eurobeat if they wanted to) and let American Hip Hop feast on thier blood and contaminate thier youth, then screw them. They are not worthy to carry Eurobeat into the next millenium. 'nuff said

I think you're just getting too old for pop music

Pop! Pop! Pop Musik!
This had to be done.

drnrg, I only have to agree with you, btw

[zoupzuop2]

I'm not even worried about SEB ending or not. What I'm really worried about is the continuous sensless junk comming out of the U.S: and contaminating the youth worlwide and at an alarming rate. By American music , I'm sure you mean the abomination from such innane artists like Soldja Boy, Chris brown, Lil Wayn and Rihanna crap. This is not even music. Just a bunch of sampled crap lined over by a bunch of vocalists who are either hoodlims or strippers.

If the Japanese are now falling prey to such junk and concider it good music, then you can thank the U.S. for spreading that virus all over the world. Even in my country ,the youngsters are favoring that crap over thier own music. Youngserts now adays don't even get a chance to develope thier own taste in music. The Music industries, mainly Ameriacn ones, infect everything they sell with thier own type of music, cell phones,
ringtones, commericials, ect... and basically BRAINWASH the youth into succumbing to that junk and leaving them with nothing else and in the process wiping out all other genres of real music, till thier is nothing left but a bunch of stupid, sensless noise, that in 20 years noone will even remember.

If the Japanese are now preferring this crap over musical compositions. Beautiful lyrics, wonderful musical melodies, catchy dancable beats, that is Eurobeat, Then Heaven help us all and if AVEX wants to bow down( I say this , because they are a powerful enough industry to push, promote and saturate the Airwaves with Eurobeat if they wanted to) and let American Hip Hop feast on thier blood and contaminate thier youth, then screw them. They are not worthy to carry Eurobeat into the next millenium. 'nuff said

OMFG AMERIKUH IS GONNA BRAYNWASH JAPAN~!

Come ON. Consider the very assumptions you've made in that paragraph:

*That all the music that Americans listen to comes from such artists as Soldja Boy, Chris Browne, Lil Wayne and Rihanna [sic]... noted hip-hop, rap, or otherwise "urban" pop musicians; thusly ignoring artists of different genres that happen to be doing just fine.
*That "American" music is even RESPONSIBLE, much less INVOLVED. It wouldn't matter if POLKA were the main genre in Japan. IF Eurobeat knew how to survive, it'd adapt by taking on some of the elements of the more popular genres around it, REGARDLESS of if it's picked up by Super Eurobeat (the compilation) or not. It's come close, with some of its approaches to how it does its business and/or is heard, but in terms of sound or even just lyrical depth/content, perhaps not enough is changing.
*That Japan is the only audience that Avex can sell to. Its move to global iTunes is great, in the sense that Eurobeat will no longer be limited to Japan-based sales. It's clear that the genre's longevity in Japan has seen better days; let's see how it does in other countries, no?

[drnrg]

I usually rant like this all over other music forums as do a lot of concerned fans, parents, musicians, ect.. We really just wanna find a cure for that virus and bring back balace and order to the industry and in the process stop making untalented acts rich, while real myspace musicians struggle even for a small indie record deal.



Actually, I was only bashing hip hop and it's sub genres. Americans can still make great music. Country , Heartland rock, Alternative, ect..

I was also mainly speaking about the younger generations who's musical taste is not even getting a chance to blossom on it's own. and if they find it catchy is because there really isn't anything else on the radio now adays. You really can't be as naive to think that if there was more variety on the top 40 airwaves, that people would still choose that hip hop garbage. The music labels; especially those behind such artists as Chris Brown Plies, ect.. are paying off the stations to play thier songs. Listen to top 40 radio and see if some terrible Timberlake song isn't played at least 5 TIMES in one hour. Back in the days when I was growing up; the radio stations used a playlist and rotated it's top 20 throughout the day, therefore providing more variety for the listeners. If you look at the charts; it's the same dumb ass 10 songs moving up and down the top 10 for the whole year. It's a total sabbotage of the music industry and the results are uglier than ever.

If AVEX pulls the plug on SEB or Eurobeat as a whole, then they will only be contributing to this atrocity and admitting that thier musical tastes are inferior to American Hip Hop. Even if Eurobeat is doomed, the least they can do is stop the American Hip Hop virus from contaminating thier youth and turning thier nation into another one full of sluts and gangsters. That is what Hip Hop glorifies

[SuperEuroJimmy]

I feel an outcast for actually liking some hip-hop music that's being released. Not all, but there are some songs I like. And that's the same with every genre. You say kids don't get any chance to develop their own tastes? It sounds to me like you're not being open to anything new. :\

I actually listen to a lot of different things. Eurobeat, but also Trance, Eurodance, Pop music, R&B, Soul, House, New Age, and even Classical. That's pretty diverse if you ask me, but I don't listen to everything on each genre. It's more like each genre has it's ups and downs. It would be really stupid to just ignore everything except for 'that one genre' because it can't be any good.

It's basicly like you, drnrg, liking Time very much. But if you wouldn't have known Time, and I sent you a Kiki & Fancy song, you would be 'aaargh this sucks!', and not listen to eurobeat at all? Thus totally ignoring Time just because you didn't look any further than the Kiki & Fancy song?

You get my point. You should be looking further than your nose is long. :\


For the rest, Bore for president! (which he already is, but whatever)

[Delita_chan]

What...? Eurobeat having beautiful lyrics...? No way. Thier lyrics are by far TERRIBLE and downright cheesy. No one oughtta question that, but it IS what makes the music addicting

I'm not sure by HOW much the prices of CDs were brought down, but it's NOT ENOUGH. By golly, I paid 2500yen still for 189!

Eurobeat wasn't just limited to Japan, but it was heavily marketed there because they're the biggest market for SEB and eurobeat. but as I said before, the interest has dwindled since 2000 and there aren't very many people who still listen. Where I've seen the bigger interest would be other asian countries such as Hong Kong and Taiwan. They've STILL got parapara going on there!

I'm not sure it's fair to blame American music for the decline of Eurobeat. Japanese have always ALWAYS had a preference for western music over eurobeat AND over thier own Jpop. The same goes for a lot of other countries. American music sounds better (to them) and appeals to them more. The culture of some of the music has in a lot of ways made it to the younger generation of japan. There's a LOT of wanna-be thugs, gangsters, rappers. Long gone are the Parapara ganguro girls.
I admit I do like some American music but American music does not equal hip/hop and rap. There's a lot of good artists out there who don't sink to the Soulja boy level.

Anyway, if SEB continues past 200, it could mean a downhill in quality; grasping at straws for sales until finally the series is crap. I don't mean to say it WILL go this direction, but it's very possible. They COULD end it at 200 while the series is still good and people can fondly remember it having ended on a good note.

By all means I want SEB to stay like everyone else. I just wouldn't be surprised if Avex pulls the plug on the CDs.

[DanWaigand]

OMFG AMERIKUH IS GONNA BRAYNWASH JAPAN~!

...for as much ANIME, DDR, FINAL FANTASY, J-POP, and strange improper usage of japanese terms as are thrown at me on a daily basis... even in joking.. and totally ignoring the pokècrap... I'd have to say, they had it coming!

Seriously. Who's sick of someone not aware of eurobeat music mentioning DDR? or even worse, listening to La bouche or even Ace of Base and getting the same reaction?

...and.. eurobeat, though marketed in japan, comes mostly from Italy. Notice that the japanese eurobeat labels really arent present.

[drnrg]

Delita_chan

What...? Eurobeat having beautiful lyrics...? No way. Thier lyrics are by far TERRIBLE and downright cheesy. No one oughtta question that, but it IS what makes the music addicting

I was speaking of romantic style Eurobeat of ,say Elena Ferretti and Norma Sheffield. those lyrics are the ones I concider Beautiful. At least they not singing about thier tits ,ass or Humps

[Mikaeru]

Delita_chan

What...? Eurobeat having beautiful lyrics...? No way. Thier lyrics are by far TERRIBLE and downright cheesy. No one oughtta question that, but it IS what makes the music addicting

I was speaking of romantic style Eurobeat of ,say Elena Ferretti and Norma Sheffield. those lyrics are the ones I concider Beautiful. At least they not singing about thier tits ,ass or Humps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91sqAs-_-g

[zoupzuop2]

OMFG AMERIKUH IS GONNA BRAYNWASH JAPAN~!

...for as much ANIME, DDR, FINAL FANTASY, J-POP, and strange improper usage of japanese terms as are thrown at me on a daily basis... even in joking.. and totally ignoring the pokècrap... I'd have to say, they had it coming!

...

...you, my friend, make an ALARMINGLY good point. =P

[drnrg]

Mikaeru

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91sqAs-_-g

Bad example. I guess you don't realize that Alanis(credible musician) was actually making fun of all that Fergie song. Didn't you read the comments to see it's actually bashing Hip Hop? It just streghnthens my point even more.LOL!

Either way the vid is hilarious. No offense to those who can actually can stomach Fergie's music. In poor Fergie's defense; she did look damn hot in Grindhouse's Planet Terror. She played a lesbien who gets eaten by zombies

[Will154]

I was speaking of romantic style Eurobeat of ,say Elena Ferretti and Norma Sheffield. those lyrics are the ones I concider Beautiful. At least they not singing about thier tits ,ass or Humps :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91sqAs-_-g

O_O...i dont think she was serious...because...it just doesnt work

XD

And yes , besides Eurobeat music being so engrish at some point , i think the lyrics are not bad. Its about real love or either cars!

[zoupzuop2]

I was speaking of romantic style Eurobeat of ,say Elena Ferretti and Norma Sheffield. those lyrics are the ones I concider Beautiful. At least they not singing about thier tits ,ass or Humps :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W91sqAs-_-g

O_O...i dont think she was serious...because...it just doesnt work

XD

And yes , besides Eurobeat music being so engrish at some point , i think the lyrics are not bad. Its about real love or either cars!

I think Eurobeat has POTENTIAL to have better lyrics; as of its current state they are not the best they could be. Any genre that's infamous across the internet for poor lyrics (See: Hot Limit-- "We Drink Ritalin", Speedy Cat-- "Ruvry Rike a Faya") should not be so mistaken as to think it's doing things right in that department. (And, lest we forget the stereotype-- "Love", "Fire", "Baby", "Desire", "Night", "Car"...)
See, the thing is, in quite a few cases, the writers/producers do not have a fluent grasp on English-- not a BAD thing, persay, just not the BEST thing for writing lyrics in that language. Perhaps the time has come for fluent English speakers/writers to enter the fray at some point? Heck... that may just boost attention yet, if the effort is noticable.

[Jay]

The language barrier is definitely a problem and tends to really show in the lyrics of certain TIME and HRG tracks. Most labels are limited to talking about 'cars', 'love' and 'fire' with the same generic rhetoric, whereas HRG seems to be too engrossed in their sexual innuendos for them to take the lyrical work seriously. It's somewhat disappointing. For those reasons, I've made the unconscious decision to never pay much attention to the lyrics in eurobeat productions; it's all about the instrumentation and the vocalist working in harmony to the beat for me.

Honestly, how hard is it to find somebody fluent in English to compose the lyrics or at LEAST translate the broken English into an understandable and, more importantly, a constructive form? I'm sure many persons would be willing to do that for free. And don't tell me the Japanese couldn't give a rat's ass what the vocalists are saying, since it's very likely they aren't even the primary listeners of eurobeat anymore.