I think they are the same... listen to the one the Best Of 2009 and this one... I don't think there is a huge difference... if there is.Danko wrote:hey guys! which one version is better? super eurobeat or the gold mix. i was thinking that should i buy original version?
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They still sound a heck of a lot better than they did throughout 2007, with that weak, watery style in such atrocities as Bad Boys and People Like Dancing.para_rigby wrote:I guess, as well, I can't really get into A-BEAT C's new sound (except for "Neverending Night" and "King of the Race"....most of it sounds old and tired.
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AbeatC is actually sounding 1000x better now adays. Like Infinty said throughout 2007 they were really weak and I remeber a lot of bitchin' about thier terrible intros as well. I know it's Mostly Dave on the mic these days, but his Fire Dragon, Love In The elevator , Dance In My Town and this song really show what AbeatC was capable of.para_rigby wrote:
I guess, as well, I can't really get into A-BEAT C's new sound (except for "Neverending Night" and "King of the Race"....most of it sounds old and tired.
They still sound a heck of a lot better than they did throughout 2007, with that weak, watery style in such atrocities as Bad Boys and People Like Dancing.
There is actually a huge difference between the Gold Mix version and the Super Eurobeat Grand Mix version. The Gold Mix has guitars, a guitar solo, a breakup a-melo and harder bass; the Super Eurobeat Grand Mix version has minimized guitars to the background, no guitar solo, airyer synths and showcases Futura's slightly more (though not much).
and I agree; A-Beat C is starting to kick ass again hehe...
and I agree; A-Beat C is starting to kick ass again hehe...
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I was looking thru some of the AbeatC songs throughout the 170s and it really wasn't al that bad. Come to think of it ;it was the Annerly Gordon songs and Dave + x female duets that did all the sucking, but there were also some great songs like Ace Of Spades, Glorious, Shine, Black Devil and Midnight Love to name a few.
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^ I guess I still feel that most everything that A-BEAT C put out after 169 doesn't have the same edge and feel. Of course, like I said earlier, there are some exceptions like what I listed earlier. But I remember back in the day when there was a general consensus that A-BEAT C had almost no bad songs (oh the glory years).
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There's also the Super Euro, Euro Beat... SUPER EUROBEAT! difference, that I sing in myself because it just should be there. >: (!thejti wrote:There is actually a huge difference between the Gold Mix version and the Super Eurobeat Grand Mix version. The Gold Mix has guitars, a guitar solo, a breakup a-melo and harder bass; the Super Eurobeat Grand Mix version has minimized guitars to the background, no guitar solo, airyer synths and showcases Futura's slightly more (though not much).
Quick review.
1. DAVE RODGERS FEAT. FUTURA / SUPER EUROBEAT <GOLD MIX>
I don't think this is a particularly strong song to mark the opening of a new century, but hey, it could've been worse. A pretty solid production that doesn't deviate too far from the general formula, which is probably why I became bored with it rather quickly. The "SUPER EURO... EURO BEAT!" part got on my nerves pretty fast too. It's difficult to judge Futura's role in this track as she doesn't possess a large presence, which brings me to a point I want to make: the hype surrounding Futura, I believe, is largely unfounded. All of her solos to date have been a pain to listen to, and Dave seems to be holding her hand through the early stages in what might turn into a big career for her. There's no doubt in my mind that Dave is trying to elevate her onto a plane similar to Elena Gobbi and Denise De Vincenzo, but due to Futura's eery vocals, I don't know if it'll work. We'll see soon enough.
RATING: 6.5/10
2. YO SHINE / POWER OF MY LOVE
Irene... Again... I had my guard up for this song as soon as I listened to its sample, but the whole package turned out to be slightly better (fortunately). Not a typical eurobeat production by any means; actually, it kind of reminds me of Melissa White's 'My Wish' from SEB161, a song which I haven't listened to as much as I should've in the past. There's one thing about 'Power of My Love' that bugs me to no end, and it's those childish yelps. "HEY!" *dum dum dum dum* "HEY!" That brings back bad Sticky Tricky & Bang memories, but even then the kiddy theme was appropriate. It's unfortunate how what appears to be a very small, yet inappropriate, addition to a song really hampers its replay value. The rest of the song is fine though. By the way, what is a 'Yo Shine'?
RATING: 6/10
3. FASTWAY / ROCK BEATIN' WILD
Aggressive, fast, energetic... Did anybody expect anything else when they saw this on the tracklist? I was hoping for a Fastway ballad with such a title but I guess we can't always get what we want. 'Rock Beatin' Wild' doesn't really offer much new to the eurobeat table, which is unfortunate as we all know SCP has a lot of creative juices locked away. I like it for what it is though, even though it's not pushing any boundaries. A staple SCP production.
RATING: 7/10
4. MIRKA / 10,000 LOVERS
What a controversial song this turned out to be. Does it feel out of place on the album? Yes, but I consider it an advantage, not a disadvantage. I've not heard much retro eurobeat in the past, but if this is what most of it sounds like then I should definitely be buying more 90's material. I have to admit it does feel a bit awkward listening to an early 90's production on such a modern CD, but it definitely stands out. The chorus is very cute and memorable. No complaints here.
RATING: 7.5/10
5. MANUEL / NIGHTRAIN
The CD started off pretty mediocre, but became progressively better with each track gone by. Unfortunately, Manuel is here to ruin that hot streak. Basically, insert the previous complaints here as with Fastway and Dave's tracks - lack of originality - plus bad vocalwork in the piss poor chorus. The melody kind of dissipates in the chorus and there's nothing holding it together but a bunch of garble from Manuel; the verses are similar to a lesser degree. The riff sounds nice, but that's not what makes a solid production unfortunately. I'd sadly consider this song to be Manuel's worst to date, and believe me when I say that I love nearly all of his other works. Not quite sure why this track went off the rails; let's hope it doesn't happen again.
RATING: 3/10
6. TIPSY & TIPSY / NEVER ENDING LOVE
So, this is the newer version of 'Never Ending Love.' I commented earlier that I wasn't digging this version of the song due to the new riff. After looping through the full version a few times, I began adapting to this change and it became bearable to listen to; however, I still much prefer the heavier riff in the other version of this song. The SEB version is definitely lighter in many regards (perhaps a request by Avex to contrast with the heavier productions on this album) and for that reason I'm not a huge fan. Still works for me, I guess.
RATING: 5.5/10
7. QUEEN 26 / YOU ARE MY WONDER
There've been quite a few nice productions on this release, but none of them really blew my mind. Well, 'You Are My Wonder' came pretty close. I'm really taken in by Capaldi's style of production; I can't name a single song of his that I don't enjoy thoroughly, which is a feat considering how difficult I can be to please sometimes. A peculiar feature of Capaldi's productions, at least for me, is that they take a while to get used to. The first time I listened to this, I didn't really notice anything special, but I quickly began to appreciate the little intricacies and his trademark sounds. Although it's not an avant-garde Capaldi production, it's my kind of eurobeat. A very upbeat, non-irritating female production... what more can one ask for? Having said that, I'd really like for Capaldi to experiment with other, slower styles of eurobeat in the future, just to change the tempo up a bit in his songs.
RATING: 9/10
8. MR. MOOG / SAY GOODBYE
After listening to this song, it dawned on me: I've really missed Claudio Magnani. I don't know why, considering I was never a massive fan of his songs, but I think his presence on this release is a nice break from the usual male suspects. I hope he sticks around for more. 'Say Goodbye' is a break from the machoistic Dima productions that we've been treated to throughout the 190s, which addresses the number one complaint I've had about Dima and his samey songs (despite the fact that they are still high quality productions). It's very nice to hear the mellower side of Dima's music and the return of Magnani. Very memorable.
RATING: 8.5/10
9. CLAUDIA VIP / IN YOUR CAR
Oh dear. What are we going to do with you, HRG? All I can say is that 'In Your Car' is from the "better" end of the recycled HRG catalogue, if that's any consolation. At least this song is in proper extended format and the vocals aren't as pitched as they used to be, but what's the point of that if it still sounds like a clone of everything else? I swear that same riff (although a very slight variation of it in this case) has been used in the last 400 HRG songs, amongst many other things, and I'm sick of it. I thought HRG were on to something when they produced 'Stargate', but it seems they've had another brain fart with this song. In fact, there's really no excuse for making clones again and again, because we just came back from a year's break! I can't envision much good in HRG's future if this keeps up. I'm seriously down to my last thread of patience with them.
RATING: 3.5/10
10. K.DELEO / WONDERLOVER
This song appears to have dichotomised the community into two. For starters, it's impossible to compare this with something like 'A Perfect Hero' or 'Save Another Day for Me' as they're from a completely different planet to this song, both in good and in bad. Good, because we get to see a different side of De Leo that we haven't really seen since 'Take a Frame', and bad, because it's a tad boring like most of these borderline aishu songs. I like the flow this song has and everything works nicely together. Overall, 'Wonderlover' is a simple, nice production, although I wouldn't be surprised if I fell asleep to it one day.
RATING: 7/10
11. NATHALIE / LIVE IT UP!
It's always nice to witness the revival of classic aliases like Nathalie. Even though 'Heartbeat' was never an overwhelming favourite of mine, I was curious to hear how Sinclaire worked this song. The sample sounded promising, and I guess I shouldn't have been that surprised when I thought I was back in the 150s/160s after listening to this song in full. Did I ever mention I was never a fan of Sinclaire during the 150s/160s? I'm pretty sure I did. 'Live It Up!' is, ironically, devoid of all life; a boring song that passes by like air, and doesn't give me much reason to return to it at a later date. Good for one listen, but no more.
RATING: 4.5/10
12. KEN BLAST / WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN
I must admit, at first, I had strong reservations about Newfield deciding to pull somebody from a eurobeat forum to do vocals for one of his songs. Seemed like a desperate move to me. Nevertheless, I enjoyed this production quite a lot. I found 'When the Sun Goes Down' to be a breath of fresh air; not merely because of the new vocalist, but on the production side of things as well. There's something about this song that seems to appeal to more people than Newfield's previous productions, which is always a good thing. The highpoint of this song is the passion and warmth that you can extract from the vocalist; I think many vocalists in the eurobeat world could take a page out of his book. Everything just works in this song. A fine way to end the general part of this album.
RATING: 8.5/10
13. GIRL NEXT DOOR / Climber's high <DIMA REMIX>
Never been a fan of J-Euro, but I don't mind it that much if it has been remixed by one of the hotter labels around right now. One of the best introductions on the album, in my opinion. Sounds like Dima has done a wonderful job turning this into a piece of eurobeat art. I can't understand what the hell she's saying, but lyrics have never mattered much in eurobeat, so who cares? The only thing that disturbs me is the thought of HRG doing a remake of a J-Euro song, so I hope this concept doesn't spiral downward into the eurobeat cesspool.
RATING: 8/10
14. DAVE RODGERS / WILD REPUTATION <ROCK MIX>
What can I say? This version of 'Wild Reputation' is a wild injustice done to the original and '05 remake. I can't listen to this song in full without feeling the need to listen to one of the other versions of this song. No more of this trash on SEB, please.
RATING: 0/10
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1. DAVE RODGERS FEAT. FUTURA / SUPER EUROBEAT <GOLD MIX>
I don't think this is a particularly strong song to mark the opening of a new century, but hey, it could've been worse. A pretty solid production that doesn't deviate too far from the general formula, which is probably why I became bored with it rather quickly. The "SUPER EURO... EURO BEAT!" part got on my nerves pretty fast too. It's difficult to judge Futura's role in this track as she doesn't possess a large presence, which brings me to a point I want to make: the hype surrounding Futura, I believe, is largely unfounded. All of her solos to date have been a pain to listen to, and Dave seems to be holding her hand through the early stages in what might turn into a big career for her. There's no doubt in my mind that Dave is trying to elevate her onto a plane similar to Elena Gobbi and Denise De Vincenzo, but due to Futura's eery vocals, I don't know if it'll work. We'll see soon enough.
RATING: 6.5/10
2. YO SHINE / POWER OF MY LOVE
Irene... Again... I had my guard up for this song as soon as I listened to its sample, but the whole package turned out to be slightly better (fortunately). Not a typical eurobeat production by any means; actually, it kind of reminds me of Melissa White's 'My Wish' from SEB161, a song which I haven't listened to as much as I should've in the past. There's one thing about 'Power of My Love' that bugs me to no end, and it's those childish yelps. "HEY!" *dum dum dum dum* "HEY!" That brings back bad Sticky Tricky & Bang memories, but even then the kiddy theme was appropriate. It's unfortunate how what appears to be a very small, yet inappropriate, addition to a song really hampers its replay value. The rest of the song is fine though. By the way, what is a 'Yo Shine'?
RATING: 6/10
3. FASTWAY / ROCK BEATIN' WILD
Aggressive, fast, energetic... Did anybody expect anything else when they saw this on the tracklist? I was hoping for a Fastway ballad with such a title but I guess we can't always get what we want. 'Rock Beatin' Wild' doesn't really offer much new to the eurobeat table, which is unfortunate as we all know SCP has a lot of creative juices locked away. I like it for what it is though, even though it's not pushing any boundaries. A staple SCP production.
RATING: 7/10
4. MIRKA / 10,000 LOVERS
What a controversial song this turned out to be. Does it feel out of place on the album? Yes, but I consider it an advantage, not a disadvantage. I've not heard much retro eurobeat in the past, but if this is what most of it sounds like then I should definitely be buying more 90's material. I have to admit it does feel a bit awkward listening to an early 90's production on such a modern CD, but it definitely stands out. The chorus is very cute and memorable. No complaints here.
RATING: 7.5/10
5. MANUEL / NIGHTRAIN
The CD started off pretty mediocre, but became progressively better with each track gone by. Unfortunately, Manuel is here to ruin that hot streak. Basically, insert the previous complaints here as with Fastway and Dave's tracks - lack of originality - plus bad vocalwork in the piss poor chorus. The melody kind of dissipates in the chorus and there's nothing holding it together but a bunch of garble from Manuel; the verses are similar to a lesser degree. The riff sounds nice, but that's not what makes a solid production unfortunately. I'd sadly consider this song to be Manuel's worst to date, and believe me when I say that I love nearly all of his other works. Not quite sure why this track went off the rails; let's hope it doesn't happen again.
RATING: 3/10
6. TIPSY & TIPSY / NEVER ENDING LOVE
So, this is the newer version of 'Never Ending Love.' I commented earlier that I wasn't digging this version of the song due to the new riff. After looping through the full version a few times, I began adapting to this change and it became bearable to listen to; however, I still much prefer the heavier riff in the other version of this song. The SEB version is definitely lighter in many regards (perhaps a request by Avex to contrast with the heavier productions on this album) and for that reason I'm not a huge fan. Still works for me, I guess.
RATING: 5.5/10
7. QUEEN 26 / YOU ARE MY WONDER
There've been quite a few nice productions on this release, but none of them really blew my mind. Well, 'You Are My Wonder' came pretty close. I'm really taken in by Capaldi's style of production; I can't name a single song of his that I don't enjoy thoroughly, which is a feat considering how difficult I can be to please sometimes. A peculiar feature of Capaldi's productions, at least for me, is that they take a while to get used to. The first time I listened to this, I didn't really notice anything special, but I quickly began to appreciate the little intricacies and his trademark sounds. Although it's not an avant-garde Capaldi production, it's my kind of eurobeat. A very upbeat, non-irritating female production... what more can one ask for? Having said that, I'd really like for Capaldi to experiment with other, slower styles of eurobeat in the future, just to change the tempo up a bit in his songs.
RATING: 9/10
8. MR. MOOG / SAY GOODBYE
After listening to this song, it dawned on me: I've really missed Claudio Magnani. I don't know why, considering I was never a massive fan of his songs, but I think his presence on this release is a nice break from the usual male suspects. I hope he sticks around for more. 'Say Goodbye' is a break from the machoistic Dima productions that we've been treated to throughout the 190s, which addresses the number one complaint I've had about Dima and his samey songs (despite the fact that they are still high quality productions). It's very nice to hear the mellower side of Dima's music and the return of Magnani. Very memorable.
RATING: 8.5/10
9. CLAUDIA VIP / IN YOUR CAR
Oh dear. What are we going to do with you, HRG? All I can say is that 'In Your Car' is from the "better" end of the recycled HRG catalogue, if that's any consolation. At least this song is in proper extended format and the vocals aren't as pitched as they used to be, but what's the point of that if it still sounds like a clone of everything else? I swear that same riff (although a very slight variation of it in this case) has been used in the last 400 HRG songs, amongst many other things, and I'm sick of it. I thought HRG were on to something when they produced 'Stargate', but it seems they've had another brain fart with this song. In fact, there's really no excuse for making clones again and again, because we just came back from a year's break! I can't envision much good in HRG's future if this keeps up. I'm seriously down to my last thread of patience with them.
RATING: 3.5/10
10. K.DELEO / WONDERLOVER
This song appears to have dichotomised the community into two. For starters, it's impossible to compare this with something like 'A Perfect Hero' or 'Save Another Day for Me' as they're from a completely different planet to this song, both in good and in bad. Good, because we get to see a different side of De Leo that we haven't really seen since 'Take a Frame', and bad, because it's a tad boring like most of these borderline aishu songs. I like the flow this song has and everything works nicely together. Overall, 'Wonderlover' is a simple, nice production, although I wouldn't be surprised if I fell asleep to it one day.
RATING: 7/10
11. NATHALIE / LIVE IT UP!
It's always nice to witness the revival of classic aliases like Nathalie. Even though 'Heartbeat' was never an overwhelming favourite of mine, I was curious to hear how Sinclaire worked this song. The sample sounded promising, and I guess I shouldn't have been that surprised when I thought I was back in the 150s/160s after listening to this song in full. Did I ever mention I was never a fan of Sinclaire during the 150s/160s? I'm pretty sure I did. 'Live It Up!' is, ironically, devoid of all life; a boring song that passes by like air, and doesn't give me much reason to return to it at a later date. Good for one listen, but no more.
RATING: 4.5/10
12. KEN BLAST / WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN
I must admit, at first, I had strong reservations about Newfield deciding to pull somebody from a eurobeat forum to do vocals for one of his songs. Seemed like a desperate move to me. Nevertheless, I enjoyed this production quite a lot. I found 'When the Sun Goes Down' to be a breath of fresh air; not merely because of the new vocalist, but on the production side of things as well. There's something about this song that seems to appeal to more people than Newfield's previous productions, which is always a good thing. The highpoint of this song is the passion and warmth that you can extract from the vocalist; I think many vocalists in the eurobeat world could take a page out of his book. Everything just works in this song. A fine way to end the general part of this album.
RATING: 8.5/10
13. GIRL NEXT DOOR / Climber's high <DIMA REMIX>
Never been a fan of J-Euro, but I don't mind it that much if it has been remixed by one of the hotter labels around right now. One of the best introductions on the album, in my opinion. Sounds like Dima has done a wonderful job turning this into a piece of eurobeat art. I can't understand what the hell she's saying, but lyrics have never mattered much in eurobeat, so who cares? The only thing that disturbs me is the thought of HRG doing a remake of a J-Euro song, so I hope this concept doesn't spiral downward into the eurobeat cesspool.
RATING: 8/10
14. DAVE RODGERS / WILD REPUTATION <ROCK MIX>
What can I say? This version of 'Wild Reputation' is a wild injustice done to the original and '05 remake. I can't listen to this song in full without feeling the need to listen to one of the other versions of this song. No more of this trash on SEB, please.
RATING: 0/10
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- QUEEN 26 / YOU ARE MY WONDER
- MR. MOOG / SAY GOODBYE
- KEN BLAST / WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN
- DAVE RODGERS / WILD REPUTATION <ROCK MIX>
- MANUEL / NIGHTRAIN
- CLAUDIA VIP / IN YOUR CAR
Point-by-point:Jay wrote:It's difficult to judge Futura's role in this track as she doesn't possess a large presence, which brings me to a point I want to make: the hype surrounding Futura, I believe, is largely unfounded. All of her solos to date have been a pain to listen to, and Dave seems to be holding her hand through the early stages in what might turn into a big career for her. There's no doubt in my mind that Dave is trying to elevate her onto a plane similar to Elena Gobbi and Denise De Vincenzo, but due to Futura's eery vocals, I don't know if it'll work. We'll see soon enough.
By the way, what is a 'Yo Shine'?
After listening to this song, it dawned on me: I've really missed Claudio Magnani.
I can't understand what the hell she's saying, but lyrics have never mattered much in eurobeat, so who cares?
*I think whatever 'hype' there is about Futura is for a few reasons:
1, she does a great deal of writing, on such recent and decent songs as "Fire Dragon", "Dance In My Town", what have you. 2, as one of the very few remaining female vocalists at ABeatC right now, Dave Rodgers probably has little choice to do otherwise. I DO wonder if she's being pitched up for that 'squeaky' sound or if that truly is her natural voice though. (Not an insult to her, per se; just curious. I've done it to myself in backup vocals before.)
*I'm hoping it's not Japanese— "Shine" in Japanese (SHEE-neh) means "Die"!
*As have I... Claudio's a much-needed man in the Eurobeat field.
*Truer words have seldom ever been spoken.
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Hey, man, thank you for a kind and detailed review.Jay wrote: 12. KEN BLAST / WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN
I must admit, at first, I had strong reservations about Newfield deciding to pull somebody from a eurobeat forum to do vocals for one of his songs. Seemed like a desperate move to me. Nevertheless, I enjoyed this production quite a lot. I found 'When the Sun Goes Down' to be a breath of fresh air; not merely because of the new vocalist, but on the production side of things as well. There's something about this song that seems to appeal to more people than Newfield's previous productions, which is always a good thing. The highpoint of this song is the passion and warmth that you can extract from the vocalist; I think many vocalists in the eurobeat world could take a page out of his book. Everything just works in this song. A fine way to end the general part of this album.
RATING: 8.5/10
BTW, I went to Newfield with the song, so it wasn't so much him pulling someone from here so much as me constantly jumping on his hand to pull me out! P:
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HRG has actually already done a Girl Next Door remix as well. It can be found on the same CD Dima's Climber's High came out on the month before SEB 201.Jay wrote:The only thing that disturbs me is the thought of HRG doing a remake of a J-Euro song, so I hope this concept doesn't spiral downward into the eurobeat cesspool.
http://forum.eurobeat-prime.com/viewtopic.php?t=2267
Thankfully it's bad, but it still was the weakest of all the remixes in my opinion.
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