Super Eurobeat 201

[DarkSky]

It's like what I said in that Facebook thread a few weeks ago; zoup's a bit drunk on his newfound fame.

Let him have his moment in the spotlight for now. I'm sure he'll come back to reality soon, haha.

I see... hahaha indeed .

[Ken Blast]

Travis... enough self-glorification now okay?

Tell me about it.

Ok awesome.. he's on SEB, he is a great musician..
But.. 2 accounts on E-P (1 is a Ken Blast account), Travis made his one facebook fanpage + a complete biography, also 1 ''Ken Blast'' account on IDW, now this video..

Respect for Travis.. but I don't like it when he acts under the alias Ken Blast as if he's a completely different person.

I know I'm very ''proud'' to be on SEB and in Dima Music myself too (avatar, signature), but not as extreme as Ken currently is.... (Ken Blast accounts, biography, facebook fan page, video''log'')

*Facebook fanpage was started BY REQUEST from my own friends and family. My dad's involved in Search Engine Optimization, so he figured I could benefit from some FB traffic.
*The Ken Blast account... granted, a bit much. I may reduce how much I post with this one. As for IDW, I did that to prove a point and hopefully show some of the users that, no, not all Eurobeat artists are rich italians. I may stop using that account too.
*The Youtube video is nothing you couldn't expect from GGM or Sinclairestyle. And, barring a couple posts under this account, I'm hardly any different-acting as Ken Blast as I am zoupzuop2 or any other name.

I have more to say on this but I'll do that when I get home from work.

[SuperEuroJimmy]

In all honesty, I think 'Ken Blast' is a way awesomer nickname than Zoupsoup2. :')

But yea, it does make you look a bit cocky. Which is a bit sad, because most other eurobeat artists are as low profile as you can probably get.

[Densetsu13]

I personally don't think there's anything wrong with some self promotion. WE may all know of him, and be in this immediate circle so we see all of it, but that doesn't include all the others that don't know him aren't discovering him, his music, EUROBEAT, SEB, etc. through his efforts.

Even if it ends up that from all his efforts only +1 new fan is made, it is better than NO new fans at all! Considering the state the scene is in, it can get all the help it can.

All the more power to you Travis, do your thing

[Nine]

He's promoting his music, like any other musician does. (Like how I'm promoting the Special Collections in my signature for Domino - or how Darksky shows off the fact that he's associated with Dima music now.)

Although, it's especially important in Travis's situation, because being a 'no name' Eurobeat artist (no offence Travis!) to having a song published by a major music company is something to not only brag about, but promote the hell out of so he can have the opportunity for more of his tracks to be published in the future. Put yourselves in his shoes. If you have been creating music for years and finally get something released, would you just sit on your hands and be like "oh, okay, I'm done." Of course not. You'd promote, you'd have pride in what you've done... it's a big achievement and a big deal, and I think Travis is being a bit passive about it; probably in fear that you guys will drop a drama bomb about it. (And congratulations, it's been dropped.)

I guess you guys haven't caught on yet, but (despite what Princess F. sings) Internet promotion is the easiest, cheapest, and one of the most effective ways to promote a Eurobeat stage name outside the Japanese market. Who knows if half of you would bother to pay attention to the SEB series if Eurobeat-Prime or any other Eurobeat related forum/community existed? Would you even have known about Eurobeat or taken care to look into it further if it wasn't for the Internet, and if it wasn't for the promotion of the genre in whichever form it may be? What if all you could have found was information in Japanese? Wouldn't that discourage you if nothing was in your native language or in English?

I know back in the early 2000s there was barely, if any, English Eurobeat websites based on this genre - and if there where they were probably tucked away deep within the Internet. You know, with the creation of Eurobeat-Prime, it's forums, and other Eurobeat websites (such as Dominonline, for example) - artists and producers wouldn't have found a need to reach out to people over the Internet. If there were no English speaking resources out there they would have found it a waste of their time, since they would just assume they're only being heard in Japan.

You know, maybe instead of criticizing and belittling him, how about supporting and encouraging his success instead? Try to understand. Don't be jealous or envious of him.

[zoupzuop2]

He's promoting his music, like any other musician does. (Like how I'm promoting the Special Collections in my signature for Domino - or how Darksky shows off the fact that he's associated with Dima music now.)

THIS. Modern musicians make themselves known on every medium possible. Think of it this way: If avex did not impose restrictions as to WHERE and WHAT eurobeat artists could advertise, where would you want to see them? Twitter? Facebook? Myspace (if they're a little behind)? Youtube (if they're still a little behind)? Online radio stations? Given that avex has not reacted to my postings yet, I am simply promoting in the ways that reach the most people. Once they start promoting Eurobeat outside of Japan, and if they do start to promote me (wishful thinking on the latter), then I'll gladly stop doing the legwork.
...granted, if it IS coming across as more "cocky" than introductory, then I can tone it down.

Although, it's especially important in Travis's situation, because being a 'no name' Eurobeat artist (no offence Travis!)

None taken.

to having a song published by a major music company is something to not only brag about, but promote the hell out of so he can have the opportunity for more of his tracks to be published in the future. Put yourselves in his shoes. If you have been creating music for years and finally get something released, would you just sit on your hands and be like "oh, okay, I'm done." Of course not. You'd promote, you'd have pride in what you've done... it's a big achievement and a big deal, and I think Travis is being a bit passive about it; probably in fear that you guys will drop a drama bomb about it. (And congratulations, it's been dropped.)

I hesitate to call it 'drama'; I'm not particularly offended to have those close to me keeping me in check. (I'd be dealing in PM's if there had been a beefier explosion. :U )
In contrast to most Eurobeat artists, yes, I am doing a lot more "look at me, look at me". However, even the loudest Eurobeat star is a mouse in contrast to the lion's roar that is the publicity of almost any other kind of musician.
And, you wouldn't wanna be in my shoes right now. I just finished running around a lot at work and they're kind'a, um... "post-work". Not pleasant. P:

If any of you have specific questions, I don't offend too easily; PM me and I'll explain whatever questions you have, within ethical limits.

[SuperEuroJimmy]

Well, it's true that the promotion-spree would probably benefit not just Ken Blast, but the entire eurobeat series. But it's not really of any use to promote the shit out of it here on Eb-P. Everyone already knows eurobeat, knows who you are, and probably also already heard at least some of your tracks. There's not a lot to promote here, and if you keep telling us 'oh hai look I'm KB and on SEB201', it does come over as cocky. Just like DarkSky telling us every other post he's writing lyrics for Dima. ; )

I guess the Eb-P folks would love to hear more than just that. Like inside stories and how you got your track on there (maybe you already told that, though... I'm not keeping up too well). It's a bit like 'knowing your audience'. : )

[Jay]

I think Travis is being a bit passive about it; probably in fear that you guys will drop a drama bomb about it. (And congratulations, it's been dropped.)

This is what I love about you, Ninetales. As soon as somebody says something even slightly critical, you blow up and take things to such a complete extreme. You're the one who dropped the drama bomb. We could've ended this discussion with zoupzuop2's reply to DarkSky, but no, of course not.

Anyway, nobody's jealous or envious of zoupzuop2. Take a look back at the wealth of positive reviews he received in this thread (I was among them). Just because zoupzuop2 created one good song doesn't mean I'm going to start parading with "ZOUPZUOP2 ROX!" banners; I treat his songs as I would treat any other eurobeat song. If it's worthy of praise (and 'When the Sun Goes Down' was), then I'll praise it. If not, then I won't. Simple as that. We've all purchased the album containing his first song (presumably) and praised how good it was; that's all the support we can give him for now. There's really no need to go out of my way and do more than that, but if you want to become his PR representative, go for it!

Here's the thing: if zoupzuop2 really wants to promote himself, he should do it outside of EB-Prime. Think about it. Everybody at EB-Prime knows who Ken Blast is and what he can do. Is it even necessary for him to keep selling himself here? By all means, he should promote himself outside of EBP, but he should really tone it down here. I know I'm not the only one annoyed.

[Brisk]

Some people here are just the master of circular arguments.

"EUROBEAT NEEDS TO BE PROMOTED"
"I made a promotional video to show some internet promotion of myself and eurobeat"
"STOP BEING COCKY"

or

"THE FUCK IS THIS NONSTOP DISC DEAL"
"Its part of the failed-attempt for the awesome countdown to 200, but megamixes are cool"
"NO THEY ARE BAD, BOYCOTTBOYCOTT AVEX AND STUDIOS"

or

"ITS ALL BECAUSE OF LIBERALS (AVEX)"

Jesus Christ some need to get their moral high horse checked. At least he's making the effort to the promotion instead of bitching whether its cocky or not.

[zoupzuop2]

Here's the thing: if zoupzuop2 really wants to promote himself, he should do it outside of EB-Prime. Think about it. Everybody at EB-Prime knows who Ken Blast is and what he can do. Is it even necessary for him to keep selling himself here? By all means, he should promote himself outside of EBP, but he should really tone it down here. I know I'm not the only one annoyed.

Fair point. I posted the video link to keep you guys just as in the loop as the others, but if you're all already in the know of such things then I needn't continue advertising here alongside, I suppose. I didn't know it reached full-blown annoyance though.

[Nine]

Jay, then instead of the sarcastic remarks spewed on here how about being nice? You may think you're witty and you may be kidding around, but you come across as a jerk most the time.

[DarkSky]

Nine don't blow up this discussion so much please..
When I watched that video and saw:

''Oh Snap!
A few words from Eurobeat Artist
Ken Blast
From Super Eurobeat 201, ''When The Sun Goes Down''''

I was like, ew.... how many more times do I have to hear the name Ken Blast around here. I understand you're proud, and I understand you're very happy to be on SEB but enough is enough.

@Mudkip
Yeah, if you want to do some promotion, you might be better do it on IDForums where very few people know you. & MK: I don't tell people about my association with dima unless they ask me about it.. but I think my signature shows enough to understand I'm somehow involved in the music.

@Nine

He's promoting his music, like any other musician does. (Like how I'm promoting the Special Collections in my signature for Domino - or how Darksky shows off the fact that he's associated with Dima music now.)

Sure, I don't mind that you have such signatures. But posting all the time about a single song that has been released on an album 1 month ago, that's what annoys me the most.

[drnrg]

What a way to piss on his parade

It's amazing how different people think. I say promote the hell out of yourself and squeeze every ounce of recognition you can now that you are after all the first one from this forum to be featured on SEB. That is a huge feet for any Eurobeat fan. If you don't relish that now, you are gonna regret it. I'll be the first to admit I'm a bit envious of you, but at the same TIME I'm glad you are shouting out to the Eurobeat world, that you in fact have done what many of us could only dream to do.

If you don't promote yourself, no one else will. As a matter of fact. I think you seemed a bit too humble on the video. You should have been holding the cd in your hand and pointing out the track with a big thumbs up in the other hand. You are on the right track, but could use a bit more flash. After all you are KEN BLAST!


BTW you got 57 viewes allready. That's alot more the the regulars on this forum. Youtube is an excellent medium for worlwide recognition.

[Jay]

It's amazing how different people think. I say promote the hell out of yourself and squeeze every ounce of recognition you can now that you are after all the first one from this forum to be featured on SEB. That is a huge feet for any Eurobeat fan. If you don't relish that now, you are gonna regret it. I'll be the first to admit I'm a bit envious of you, but at the same TIME I'm glad you are shouting out to the Eurobeat world, that you in fact have done what many of us could only dream to do.

If you don't promote yourself, no one else will. As a matter of fact. I think you seemed a bit too humble on the video. You should have been holding the cd in your hand and pointing out the track with a big thumbs up in the other hand. You are on the right track, but could use a bit more flash. After all you are KEN BLAST!

There's nothing wrong with promoting himself on YouTube and Facebook, but if we already know Ken Blast then why advertise all that here? That's why it's a bit cocky.

Nobody's trying to shit on his parade or bring him down. Most people here aren't used to the fact that a eurobeat artist is actually trying to get his name out there, that's all, and I guess I'm still coming to terms with that. But in a way, we're actually helping him move his attention away from this forum and promote himself elsewhere to achieve greater exposure. His presence on IDW is great because that brings those listeners (most who download illegally) in touch with the labels even more.

zoupzuop2 has already said he'll try to promote himself outside this forum more, so bringing this corpse of an argument back to life is a bit pointless. Now, go go promote!

Also, I should add that I can't envy him because I know I'll never make it on SEB with my horrible singing voice, rofl. That doesn't mean I'm not glad he made it on SEB though; I'm very happy for him. :)

[DarkSky]

Yeah go for it, IDW would be a great place to do so!