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eXtaticus · Post by **eXtaticus** » 14 Apr 2013, 00:39

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Faarben · Post by **Faarben** » 14 Apr 2013, 01:39

Wow, it's great remaster!
I was always mad about some early eurobeat tracks because of poor EQ and when I'm listening to them I have to set equalizer, loudness etc...

Your remaster sounds much better to me, really! it's louder, more powerfull and not so lazy as original master...
I would be grateful if you could make for me some masters of my fav SEB tracks, can you try with HELENA - JUST AN ILLUSION ? I'm curious about effect

Darkholme · Post by **Darkholme** » 14 Apr 2013, 09:21

I can definitely tell that the bass is beefier and it's louder overall. On newer songs I'd love this kind of remaster but on the older ones (SEB 1-20~) I'd say I like the originals more. To me, a bigger, more modern sound just doesn't fit, just my opinion.

Lebon14 · Post by **Lebon14** » 14 Apr 2013, 09:57

Achievement unlocked : Brickwalling master

Mindsweeper · Post by **Mindsweeper** » 14 Apr 2013, 14:39

Yeah, I like the bigger sound of music that's been moderately compressed , but the obvious lack of compression is one of the things that makes older music stand out to me.

I'm not even going to get into the mastering of the most recent era of eurobeat, it would be nothing but complaining.

If the songs sound better to some people this way, more power to them. Just don't start distorting the f@!# out of it for the sake of loudness

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eXtaticus · Post by **eXtaticus** » 14 Apr 2013, 23:05

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Lebon14 · Post by **Lebon14** » 15 Apr 2013, 00:51

I'm going to explain my last comment. As some may know, I'm against brickwalling, aka "recent day (re)mastering". For my exemple, I'm going to take "Bad Desire" by F.C.F, the one on the 8cm CD single released in Japan. To give you an idea how it looks, here is the waveform :

This is how a good recording looks like. The percussions are clear and audible and not overpowered by everything else. Yes, making things louder make percussions, you know, the things that has a punch to it like drums, totally overpowered by the rest of the music. If somebody was going to make a vinyl out of your "remasters", it would sound like crap. Those remasters sound good but that's only a false perception. The only way to make things louder, it's to turn up the volume nob. Want to equalize? You need a good ol'physical equalizer with a good sound system or an equalizer that's built-in to the CD/media player.

Here's a couple of videos that will explain it very well. It does not only apply to rock, it applies to every single genre on the planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcKDMBuGodU

In other words, the old tracks were MEANT to sound like they sound! If the synth are quiet, well, they are quiet and they were meant to sound like that.
Yup.

I'm over and out.

drnrg · Post by **drnrg** » 15 Apr 2013, 04:26

Lebon14

If somebody was going to make a vinyl out of your "remasters", it would sound like crap.

You are quite right. I know you don't collect vinyl, but AVEX or whoever was in charge of pressing vinyls in that era, brickwalled the fuck out of the songs before pressing them on vinyl. Those HRG and Boom Boom Beat vinyls after 2000s sound like shit. I collect them for sheer collection puposes, but I was so glad when Juno finally released the whole HRG catalog on mp3.

jeurobeat · Post by **jeurobeat** » 15 Apr 2013, 18:53

Funny thing is that this is what eurobeat songs sounded like on radio stations back in the days,
when they were pushing the volume to the max through their limiters.

It's just a matter of taste I guess. I know people who liked that. Most of the time I preferred the original
recording. However, I still have a tape recording with Alphatown - Over Time from the radio and I like that
one more than the cd version (despite the little bit of stereo noise).

eXtaticus · Post by **eXtaticus** » 15 Apr 2013, 20:59

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the_ditz · Post by **the_ditz** » 15 Apr 2013, 21:14

eXtaticus - you'll never convince some people here that your remasters are better. If you can accept that they will bring enjoyment to you and some others, then you'll be good. If you try to convince others, then you'll get stuck in a never-ending loop of technical debate that we've seen loads of times before.

Not hating on anyone - everyone is entitled to their opinion, but just thought I'd explain.

DarkSky · Post by **DarkSky** » 15 Apr 2013, 22:33

eXtaticus wrote:@Lebon14: This is the thing though; nobody's going to make a vinyl out of my remasters, so I don't need to worry about the limitations of outdated media. I, for one, think that the new life that remastering breathes into older tracks gives them a new lease of life, bringing them up-to-date, and making them sound as great as more recent eurobeat - and I would never even consider using anything other than a digital format to store "brickwalled" tracks.

In short, the purpose of this is to give old tracks some more modern mastering. Vinyl doesn't come under "modern mastering", so I think I'm doing it right. And besides, it's not like I'm just simply squashing the dynamic range; I'm boosting frequencies that were weak on the original recordings, cleaning up fuzz in the the bass and treble, removing background noise, enhancing the stereo image...

If anything, my masters sound more "dynamic" than the decidedly flat originals.

This.

eXtaticus · Post by **eXtaticus** » 15 Apr 2013, 22:34

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drnrg · Post by **drnrg** » 16 Apr 2013, 07:09

ALSO: Still taking requests, guys! ^_^;

I might take you up on that for some of my Flea mp3s. Most of what I have are vinyl rips with the volume really low and I'm curious to hear what they might sound like remastered.

BTW, ABeatC was one of the first Eurobeat companies that pushed the volume to limits. Listen to Dee Jay NRG- I'm A Dee Jay and any Flea or Asia vinyl from that 90's era and hear that difference.

Darkholme · Post by **Darkholme** » 16 Apr 2013, 07:58

I'd love it if you could try your hand at remastering Claudia T - Watch Me, I'll send ya the FLAC if necessary

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