Super Eurobeat 227

[Mindsweeper]

Similarly, I can't sit through the boring DJ-friendly intros and outros of a lot of dance music

Which is why CDs should come DJ mixed to begin with, so if you want the extended, you can buy it elsewhere (vinyl, download site)

That works, but I still don't like it much because then the beginning and the ending of the songs are really abrupt where they are cut from the mix.

I would rather they just have "listening" versions and then "mixing" versions. (or maybe DJs can stop expecting producers to make it easier for them )

[drnrg]

#Infinity

At the heart of this debate though, do you really want a full version of an old track or a completely new and original song? You're acting as if shortening a song by 1 minute, even while retaining a solidly fluent structure, completely destroys it and makes it practically not worth listening to. Granted, I never said releasing the extended version of an old song is pointless, but I just think it seems out-of-place and unnecessary on a compilation that generally gives us brand new music in an era when far less eurobeat is being produced than ever.

In a genre like Eurobeat where the bpms are super fast, you can do wonders with one minute. Anyway, I don't recall anyone one member actually saying that the song is worthless in SEB formatt. I do recall seeing some say they like it better though. Me included. What it really comes down to what the fans want. Not just what AVEX wants. This is why this topic pops up every year.The Super Eurobeat and other AVEX produced series have always added in that extra song from TIME to TIME.That should come as no surprise. I will say this. That I prefer they release an older track in extended form rather than the same edit with just an added guitar or corrected vocals. remember that vamped up version of "SEB 4 U" That was pretty unecessary. In fact; I'd rather they stick in a old -never released song from TIME, SCP ect...in its original extneded form than anything elese they can think of. That should make everyone happy. At least from TIMe to TIME.


in the end I say keep it like it is, so long as my favourite labels keep putting out the longer extendeds versions, i'll be content.

to put a bow on this discussion;I was thinking of something that wass bugging me though .Back in the early SEB and Maharaja Night days we would get longer extenderds but only 12-13 songs a disc. Now we get 15. Its funny because back then the songs were slower, so naturally we should get fewer material per disck in extended format. Now adays we have much faster songs and get shorter songs. In a perfect world all songs on SEB should still get the 5 mins plus format and still be able to fit at least 15, beacuse of the faster bpms, right? Go figure.

[#Infinity]

At the heart of this debate though, do you really want a full version of an old track or a completely new and original song? You're acting as if shortening a song by 1 minute, even while retaining a solidly fluent structure, completely destroys it and makes it practically not worth listening to. Granted, I never said releasing the extended version of an old song is pointless, but I just think it seems out-of-place and unnecessary on a compilation that generally gives us brand new music in an era when far less eurobeat is being produced than ever.

What?! That's not what I mean. I meant...

I don't think they were asking for the unreleased extended versions (if they all exist) to be released on future SEB albums - they were merely complaining that songs were edited for SEB in the first place.

You got it, sir.

Well, if full versions are such a big deal, then this horrid idea of stuffing old songs on regular SEB tracklists could become a ridiculous trend. Clearly, the difference of adding one extra minute to a song doesn't impact me nearly as much as some of you other folks, but I still got the impression that some people didn't mind including a 5-minute version of a song that was already on SEB 207. If it's really that convenient and effective, Avex may as well release more extensions of old songs like this, barring us from original material when we kind of need it.

[thejti]

Most tracks are now produced to have the following set up which I call A-Beat C style extended

Introduction - riff - verse 1 - verse 2 - chorus - riff - verse 3 - verse 2 - chorus - riff - verse 1 (instrumental or last edit) - verse 2 (semi last edit) - chorus - riff - riff

Last Edit for vinyl fans is where they remove the drums and/or other stuff and give a semi stripped down version of the track. Very popular with Newfield Delta & HRG tracks.

The reason I call it A-Beat C style extended is that this is how about 90 percent of A-Beat C tracks after SEB 64 were produced. Before SEB 64, many were still Italo Disco style and longer. My theory on the length is that instead of having multiple tracks on a vinyl that had a last version or extended version or alternate version on the same vinyl, the producers made one long extended version that had it all so that the DJ could take it and do what they wanted to do with it without having to have multiple vinyls to properly mix or record it to tape and deal with a vinyl and tape. With digital, it's redundant as you can have multiple tracks and multiple outputs on one machine. I've heard this explanation from many DJ's as to why extended versions are not in vogue right now and the extended version of all EDM tracks are from 4-5 minutes long.

On top of the above, the older DJs style are not finding favor with newer DJs in terms of the long tracks to have to deal with mixing at a club. Most clubs even with pop music only do chorus - verse 1 - verse 2 -chorus - next song.

Personally I would prefer a 3 min radio edit for most Eurobeat with the ability to download the extended from iTunes but that's just me. The 5 min extended is fine as well. The old extended style that builds to a crescendo 2 minutes into the song to start it off from the first full riff to the first verse sometimes is a little cumbersome. An example of this is one of my favorite A-Beat C old tracks, Paul Murray - Commedia. It takes 1:30 before the first verse is even sung. I love the Best of Super Eurobeat 1991 radio edit of 3:31 mins.

[UFOPOLI]

I think it's great that the longest possible versions exist and are available (i.e. the ones that have room for all ideas the composer/producer found worth expressing), but when it comes to repeated listening, there's an ideal length. The ideal length is such that it leaves you satisfied but still wanting to hear the song again. That depends on the listener, of course, so there's no universal amount.

And even more so, it depends on the composition and arrangement. Mere three minutes can sometimes feel too long. Just look at some Eurovision entries At the other end, the shortest ESC entry of all time only clocks 1:52, and I've never heard anybody say it should be any longer than that.

It also depends on the genre. In eurobeat, I usually prefer the versions that are from 4:00 to 4:30.

[para_rigby]

Wanted to give y'all a heads up that Domino and Kaioh are working on a new Leo River song! It's been awhile since we heard from Leo. Doubt it'll be on 227, but good news nonetheless.

[drnrg]

para_rigby

Wanted to give y'all a heads up that Domino and Kaioh are working on a new Leo River song! It's been awhile since we heard from Leo. Doubt it'll be on 227, but good news nonetheless.

Thats great news. I actually prefer the Leo River style as opposed to the Kaioh style. Its a bit more agressive.

thejti

Personally I would prefer a 3 min radio edit for most Eurobeat with the ability to download the extended from iTunes but that's just me.

having the extendeds, including SCP's songs ready to go on a download site as soon as the cd comes out is a great idea, so long as our options are open to more than just the itunes site. Juno; for example would be perfect. Not everyone cares for itunes. The downside would be that the cd sales might suffer if those of us who prefer extendeds go right for the download sites and skip the cds. Of course having the disc with the little booklet and lyrics is still priceless. I would even spend that extra cash if vinyl versions of SEB songs in extended were still pressed.

[thejti]

thejti

Personally I would prefer a 3 min radio edit for most Eurobeat with the ability to download the extended from iTunes but that's just me.

having the extendeds, including SCP's songs ready to go on a download site as soon as the cd comes out is a great idea, so long as our options are open to more than just the itunes site. Juno; for example would be perfect. Not everyone cares for itunes. The downside would be that the cd sales might suffer if those of us who prefer extendeds go right for the download sites and skip the cds. Of course having the disc with the little booklet and lyrics is still priceless. I would even spend that extra cash if vinyl versions of SEB songs in extended were still pressed.

Personally I'm all for SEB going 20 song nonstop and providing the songs on a download site. SEB tracks will never been on Juno by Avex. Juno is too small of a player in the music game. iTunes is the best answer (not for audiophiles) in terms of market share and ease of use.

[the_ditz]

Woooo, a new Leo River track is music to my ears. I just hope the melodies and energy are as they were when it was Sandro Oliva at the production helm (Don't Let Me Go is still one of my top tracks from the past few years!)

[para_rigby]

I would love to hear new songs by Lolita, Betty Beat, and Esther....

We never know what the future holds!

[drnrg]

Since we are making wish lists for our first new SEB of the new year. I still wish AVEX would finally realize what an epic track Ella Pepper - Get My Venus(LMCD 80) is and give it an Super Eurobeat appearance. Plus its the best Stephy martini sung track in years.

Plus these otherts.

Nicky Louder- Eurobeat Rebirth.
Would be the perfect exit track for Nick Festari.

Cindy - Ride No Destination or Jeff Driller- Kissing Me

and I'm still waiting on a "You Spin Me Round(like A Record) cover. If any label is gonna do one, it should be HRG Attack.

[thejti]

Since we are making wish lists for our first new SEB of the new year. I still wish AVEX would finally realize what an epic track Ella Pepper - Get My Venus(LMCD 80) is and give it an Super Eurobeat appearance. Plus its the best Stephy martini sung track in years.

Plus these otherts.

Nicky Louder- Eurobeat Rebirth.
Would be the perfect exit track for Nick Festari.

Cindy - Ride No Destination or Jeff Driller- Kissing Me

and I'm still waiting on a "You Spin Me Round(like A Record) cover. If any label is gonna do one, it should be HRG Attack.

We'll see about HRG. Apparently they're not on good footing with the main ParaPara choreographer. Apparently they don't like HRG tracks.

[Bonkers]

Personally I'm all for SEB going 20 song nonstop and providing the songs on a download site.

^ this! As long as the non-stops are like the Euromachs If the full lengths are going to be provided elsewhere, might as well make the non-stops as exciting as possible!

[Lebon14]

Personally I'm all for SEB going 20 song nonstop and providing the songs on a download site.

If there's no lossless solution, FUCK NO. That's even worse than getting 4min edits!

[drnrg]

thejti

We'll see about HRG. Apparently they're not on good footing with the main ParaPara choreographer. Apparently they don't like HRG tracks.

I don't know who that ass-head is, but it comes down to what the fans want. Not just the ones in Japan either. There is a lot more to Eurobeat than just Parapara.