Wikipedia 'Eurobeat' entry

Cosmic_Bard · Post by **Cosmic_Bard** » 12 Jan 2006, 00:39

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurobeat

It's pretty good but the thing is, there are a few problems with it. Like, for instance the referencing of Hyper-Techno and Cyber Trance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eurobeat

KrAzy Che3To of Eurobeat Evolution tried to fix it, but came on a little strong and was shut down.

Is anyone else interested in getting this fixed? Maybe even adding a bit more information?

drnrg · Post by **drnrg** » 13 Jan 2006, 08:54

8)Now one thing that I did not know is that Elena Ferratti did vocals for Queen Of Times, Valentina and one half of Ki9ng & Queen? I do hear similarities , but thought Elena strictly sings for TIME? Am I wrong? Thgat could explain why we no longer see Queen of Times or Valentina songs on ABeatC. Who knows for sure:

Shawaazu · Post by **Shawaazu** » 26 Apr 2006, 11:32

I fixed up some of the artist area.

Somebody put most of Elena Gobbi's names in Annerley Gordon's names for some apparent reason o_O (even Elena Gobbi herself!). I made an account just to edit that glaring mistake XD Also someone credited Tomas Marin as Manuel and Valeo Simone as Lou Grant o.o

Elena Feretti was never Valentina, Margaret or Queen Of Times, so I edited them and put them in the right place, Barbara Maniscalch.

DJ Mike · Post by **DJ Mike** » 26 Apr 2006, 20:30

Sorry, but that article is still a pile of crap.

For heaven's sake, the first paragraph of Eurobeat talks about disco - yes, Eurobeat has origins in disco, but for a description of what disco is you can read the friggin' article on disco! I don't expect to read about George Clinton and Earth, Wind & Fire when I read a Eurobeat article!

If that article is going to be anything but rubbish it needs proper detailed research with cited references, not a pile of conjecture and database listings. At this rate I'll do it myself, but I have to build up some sources before I'll even attempt it.

Cosmic_Bard · Post by **Cosmic_Bard** » 26 Apr 2006, 22:44

I think the disco reference is very important. Without disco, there would be no eurobeat.

IMO, this is the biggest part that needs to go:

"In its early days, the general tempo for Eurobeat songs was paced at 120BPM. Beginning in the 1990s, a mix of Eurobeat and Happy Hardcore called "Super Eurobeat" became the mainstay of Para Para dance nightclub events in Tokyo and around Japan. Tempo increased to 150BPM or sometimes even higher (so-called "Hyper Techno" or "Tech-Para" in Para Para culture) In around 2002 this was mixed with '90s-style trance music and re-named "Cyber Trance"."

That whole paragraph makes me want to cry tears of blood. There isn't a single truth in the whole thing.

EDIT: I took it upon myself to fix up the 'labels' section. It looked ugly before.

The best case scenario for all this I think would be to eventually get the individual labels their own wiki entries, along with some of the more popular artists.

taQ · Post by **taQ** » 26 Apr 2006, 23:37

Shawaazu wrote: Elena Feretti was never Valentina, Margaret or Queen Of Times, so I edited them and put them in the right place, Barbara Maniscalch.

actually we've established that Barbara Maniscalch was just an alias Elena Feretti used to sing with A-Beat C

Shawaazu · Post by **Shawaazu** » 26 Apr 2006, 23:56

taQ wrote:
Shawaazu wrote: Elena Feretti was never Valentina, Margaret or Queen Of Times, so I edited them and put them in the right place, Barbara Maniscalch.
actually we've established that Barbara Maniscalch was just an alias Elena Feretti used to sing with A-Beat C

Oh ok, I guess I didn't see that XP

Humbedooh · Post by **Humbedooh** » 27 Apr 2006, 00:28

nnggghh, now you forced me to create an account as well. Couldn't stand to see the comment "My point is that talent's not what gets you through the door here." to be left all alone in the discussion...so not true!!

UQ100 · Post by **UQ100** » 27 Apr 2006, 01:29

Humbedooh wrote:nnggghh, now you forced me to create an account as well. Couldn't stand to see the comment "My point is that talent's not what gets you through the door here." to be left all alone in the discussion...so not true!!

Well, it's nonsense... but I can't be bothered to sign up to Wikipedia...

All I can say to that guy is that cannot create any coherent sounding music without talent. I guess you don't have to be the best player to do Eurobeat but (I've been reading through past posts in this forum recently) as has been seen here it's lot of work just to get the right synth brass sound. You need to know how to create good melodies and chords to go with them and be able to do a great arrangement and programming, as well as someone to do spot on vocals, vocal harmonies...

Humbedooh · Post by **Humbedooh** » 27 Apr 2006, 01:56

UQ100 wrote:
Humbedooh wrote:nnggghh, now you forced me to create an account as well. Couldn't stand to see the comment "My point is that talent's not what gets you through the door here." to be left all alone in the discussion...so not true!!
Well, it's nonsense... but I can't be bothered to sign up to Wikipedia...

All I can say to that guy is that cannot create any coherent sounding music without talent. I guess you don't have to be the best player to do Eurobeat but (I've been reading through past posts in this forum recently) as has been seen here it's lot of work just to get the right synth brass sound. You need to know how to create good melodies and chords to go with them and be able to do a great arrangement and programming, as well as someone to do spot on vocals, vocal harmonies...

And you have to make new tracks week after week and still maintain some degree of diversity - that's in my opinion where the real talent shines through, just like I'm baffled by animators who can make brilliant cartoons week after week - if you really dig into the eurobeat tunes, you'll find it's not just a beat and then a synth, but layer upon layer of different instruments that compliment eachother, and that's what I like about eurobeat, the playful complexity.

Cosmic_Bard · Post by **Cosmic_Bard** » 27 Apr 2006, 06:17

Humbedooh wrote:if you really dig into the eurobeat tunes, you'll find it's not just a beat and then a synth, but layer upon layer of different instruments that compliment eachother, and that's what I like about eurobeat, the playful complexity.

Eurobeat is insanely complex music. You could listen to a new song 20 times over and still find new sounds, samples and melodies within, that you've never heard the previous times.

On an unrelated note, I'm shocked that talent has even come into question. Have these people not heard eurobeat before? I think it's a case of people judging something they know nothing about. (ie: nearly everyone on the internet)

I'm not saying everyone has to like it, but who comments solely for the purpose of adding negative information with no constructive value?

DJ Mike · Post by **DJ Mike** » 27 Apr 2006, 07:19

Cosmic_Bard wrote:I think the disco reference is very important. Without disco, there would be no eurobeat.

The description of disco as an origin is important, but that entire paragraph has been written as if Wikipedia suddenly no longer exists and the person is getting a crash course of what disco is in one paragraph - that, from a Wikipedia perspective, is entirely wrong.

UQ100 · Post by **UQ100** » 27 Apr 2006, 08:49

Cosmic_Bard wrote:On an unrelated note, I'm shocked that talent has even come into question. Have these people not heard eurobeat before? I think it's a case of people judging something they know nothing about. (ie: nearly everyone on the internet)

I'm not saying everyone has to like it, but who comments solely for the purpose of adding negative information with no constructive value?

Eurobeat is 100% the antithesis of what many people consider to be the 'ideal' form of music (e.g., some guy with a guitar strumming in the street singing his own songs that express his own feelings. Of course, they wouldn't really want to listen to this, but it's the ideal they have in their head.) I guess you could look at it at deeper philosophical levels. But, basically, I think they would very much like to destroy music such as Eurobeat. A pretty good job was done all around of trashing Stock Aitken Waterman, after all, to the point where even people that liked their music believed they didn't have any talent... I dunno whether similar trashings happened of Italo-Disco or Eurobeat...

(It does not matter whether they heard exactly what strictly is Eurobeat at all, they can't stand any such 'synthetic' music.)

Of course this is very weird to me, because the approach behind Eurobeat is more or less what I'd call the ideal way to create good music!

UQ100 · Post by **UQ100** » 27 Apr 2006, 08:52

DJ Mike wrote:The description of disco as an origin is important, but that entire paragraph has been written as if Wikipedia suddenly no longer exists and the person is getting a crash course of what disco is in one paragraph - that, from a Wikipedia perspective, is entirely wrong.

This problem of lack of focus is rampant throughout Wikipedia... having said that, it often saves me the effort of jumping to the other article and back.

But anyway, I can see the basic cultural link (create music for dancing too, uplifting, have a good time, etc.) but is the _style_ of disco that closely related?

DJ Mike · Post by **DJ Mike** » 27 Apr 2006, 19:27

It is if you backtrace eurobeat to its very early days, but to be honest modern Eurobeat probably has more in common with house than it does with disco.

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