Wikipedia 'Eurobeat' entry

[Humbedooh]

"Sabi" in parapara terms refers to the chorus. The terms aren't really standardised, I would think, but the parapara terms seem fairly rooted.

Hmm, then what does the Wikipedia entry mean by "synthesized chorus known as the Sabi"? since the chorus is, er, sung?

I think the meaning of that is "the chorus with a synthesized base melody", simplisticly refering to the fact that it aint exactly unplugged instruments they usually use. I corrected the whole "Saiba" mistake on wikipedia, but I left the part about synth chorus because I didn't want to seem too intrusive on the wikipedia entry.

As to what I think Sabi is, the classical sabi in a eurobeat song is a 30-32 second refrain/chorus after the stanzas, typically consisting of 8 sentences (each ~4 seconds in length) which are close to identical. For example:

1. Super super striker, Go runnin' for the glory
2. Magic hero, get ready let's go (Let's go)
3. Super super striker, Go stop into the story
4. Keep it baby rollin', the harder they come (Come on and)
5. Super super striker. Go runnin' for the glory
6. Magic hero, get ready let's go (Let's go)
7. Super super striker, Go stop into the story
8. They can never stop you,the champ is the night

As mentioned in this thread, not all artists choose to follow this pattern, but the majority by far chooses to do so.

[Mikaeru]

Jayvee - Yeah, that seems to work.

Humble - More specifically, it's usually a repeated 8-bar phrase. This is better for tying in the "8 sentences/phrases" idea and time references without being inclusive.
In the lyrics in 163,as well as on SCP's site, the example you used is given 13 lines, the 6 lines in 8 bars repeated, with the extra line at the end.

The most common diversion seems to be an extra bar at the end to help tie it into the instrumental section better (two examples are Number One and Super Striker). Although more common in earlier eurobeat seems to have been not repeating the 8 bar section the first time.

[Humbedooh]

Jayvee - Yeah, that seems to work.

Humble - More specifically

There's no L in my name ;p.

And earlier eurobeat does seem more...erratic on that area, but that's to be expected with such a high amount of experimenting going on. Some of the really early tracks don't even seem to have anything that resembles a chorus.

The whole line/bar/sentence/phrase issue can be a bit difficult to put in terms everyone can understand, I'll grant you that. Perhaps a more user friendly explanation of what "8 bars" mean, as it's, in my opinion, a difficult term to use when explaining what the Sabi is to non-english people. Maybe a term that doesn't bring back memories of Cheers

[Shawaazu]

I wanna know how someone got the name Salvatore Brandoni for Digital Planet. Whoever did it also put the alias "Spock" for Salvatore.

I don't know about the name. But I have always considered that Digital Planet and Spock were the same vocalist. Which is why I left that alone when I was editing the artist area.

[Jion]

Yeah but where did they get that info? I dunno if they're the same person or not either.

[UQ100]

And earlier eurobeat does seem more...erratic on that area, but that's to be expected with such a high amount of experimenting going on. Some of the really early tracks don't even seem to have anything that resembles a chorus.

Hmm, I'm sure your Eurobeat collection eats mine for breakfast--what tracks don't have an obvious chorus?

The whole line/bar/sentence/phrase issue can be a bit difficult to put in terms everyone can understand, I'll grant you that. Perhaps a more user friendly explanation of what "8 bars" mean, as it's, in my opinion, a difficult term to use when explaining what the Sabi is to non-english people.

Not too tough with Eurobeat, since it's mostly four-to-the-floor, just count four bass drums, that's one bar, etc.! (Where the bar begins should come naturally.)

I don't think it's the job of the Wikipedia 'Eurobeat' entry to explain musical section structure, though. In terms of Sabi could just mention it's a word used for the chorus, where it came from, and maybe talk about the typical Eurobeat structure. (Intro-Bridge/Instrumental-Verse etc.)

Maybe a term that doesn't bring back memories of Cheers

LOL... I don't think there is another one!

[Humbedooh]

Hmm, I'm sure your Eurobeat collection eats mine for breakfast--what tracks don't have an obvious chorus?

I might have been a little harsh when I said "don't even seem to have anything that resembles a chorus", but I still believe a few of the early refrains are...extremely well hidden, to put it in a more soft term
I won't go into detail on this yet - reason on this will follow much later

LOL... I don't think there is another one!

we could use the term "meassure" instead of bar? :p
but that'd probably confuse other people...or something. My basic concern here is probably just that I dislike the term "bar" (just like I prefer to say "refrain" instead of "chorus").

Adding an entry about the typical Eurobeat structure would probably help some people get the picture...we'll just have to agree on such a structure then

[oresama-chan]

I wanna know how someone got the name Salvatore Brandoni for Digital Planet. Whoever did it also put the alias "Spock" for Salvatore.

Salvatore is strange. It should be Stefano Brandoni.

The structure of prevailing Eurobeat is generally (in Japan) considered as follows.

intro (opening) - synth riff - verse (Amelo) - bridge (Bmelo) - chorus (sabi) - synth riff...

[Sadie]

intro (opening) - synth riff - verse (Amelo) - bridge (Bmelo) - chorus (sabi) - synth riff...

That's actually the same way I say it too. All except I don't say "synth riff", I just say "synth". Same difference though.

[Cosmic_Bard]

After reading over the whole entry again, I've come to the conclusion that maybe it would be better if the entire entry was redone and overhauled completely by people who actually care.... namely, us.

Some info is good, most info isn't, but the whole thing in general could use a facelift.

Does anyone else agree? Moreover, would anyone like to form a sort of comittee or something so we can collaborate our efforts and make something the community can be proud of.

Of course, anyone can edit the entry... that's the point of Wikipedia, but having a few people working together to get some of the facts straight, would help make it so that no one should have to.

[Sadie]

I took a look at the Eurobeat Wikipedia section. Something I must address; Ricky M. is NOT Tomas Marin. I don't know who put that, but I'm rather positive.

Just thought I'd give that a little mentioning! =D

[Shinraikan]

I added a section for "the Eurobeat formula" on the Eurobeat Wiki entry.I figured this really needed doing because it's such a large part of eurobeat, and it makes eurobeat what it is today.

Feel free to add more or change anything! I tried putting everything into words the best I could, and it seemed to turn out pretty well. You'll see that I added most of the big labels specific types of "formulas" to their eurobeat creation in there. This is not just opinion, but absolute fact on how they create their music. That's what makes eurobeat so unique!

However if I did add something that seems to be an opinion, go ahead and remove it. I'm just tired and I might have missed something. XD

[UQ100]

That's actually the same way I say it too. All except I don't say "synth riff", I just say "synth". Same difference though.

Well, not quite the same thing...!

A riff is a short repeated phrase. I guess the "synth" in "Loving Honey" is a riff.

[UQ100]

I added a section for "the Eurobeat formula" on the Eurobeat Wiki entry.I figured this really needed doing because it's such a large part of eurobeat, and it makes eurobeat what it is today.

Good work!

I would prefer another word to formula though, implies Eurobeat is "formulaic" which has negative connotations these days.

I'm still trying to figure out what to call each section. "Bridge" is OK but today it's probably better to call it the "Pre-chorus".

I'd call the "Synth" section maybe a "Bridge" or perhaps more descriptive is "Instrumental Break"? Almost all instruments in Eurobeat are synthetic so... if you want call it "Synth" maybe "Synth lead" or something.

Feel free to add more or change anything! I tried putting everything into words the best I could, and it seemed to turn out pretty well. You'll see that I added most of the big labels specific types of "formulas" to their eurobeat creation in there. This is not just opinion, but absolute fact on how they create their music. That's what makes eurobeat so unique!

Stock Aitken Waterman tracks were almost always intro (usually the chorus without vocals), verse, pre-chorus, chorus, verse, pre-chorus, chorus, middle eight/bridge, pre-chorus, chorus (repeat out). How about Italo-Disco?

[UQ100]

Does anyone else agree? Moreover, would anyone like to form a sort of comittee or something so we can collaborate our efforts and make something the community can be proud of.

Sure, I think it still needs heaps of work.

One thing I'd like to do is a get a grip on the history of the whole thing. Maybe not just for Wikipedia, but for ourselves?

To me it's fascinating that there remains apparently such a small concentration of people, in one country, that today are the just about the only ones who are creating this type of music (and appear to be among the few who are even capable of doing so?). Obviously this goes back into Italo-Disco and so on. So I guess not just "who" was involved, but "why"?