SUPER EUROBEAT VOL. 169

[Ebisumaru]

In my opinion, with the exception of Milk & Coffea, Susy and Sarah, Saifam has succeeded in the 160s in putting forward probably their most dull and lifeless female-led songs from inclusion in the SEB series. Laurie (who appears to only be Farm's property) is probably the one female Saifam artist to have awesome tracks that can stand on their own.

Avex just sucks at picking songs. And if you haven't noticed most of Saifam's aliases are random vocalists.

[the_ditz]

I'm not saying the Susy song wasn't generic, cos it definitely was, but I liked the energy it had and the cute melody. The point I was making was more that the female Saifam songs are mostly fairly dull in terms of melody and general appeal...

[Jayveemon]

The susy song was soooo generic. It sounded like Superdance/Go Go Jam/Come on Boy

dance dance dance dance jam jam jam jam jam boy boy boy boy boy

get what i mean?

The Susy song from 167 was pretty much a summary of saifam's female tracks from 2001-2002 era in one song.

[UQ100]

8)The question here is what is concidered to be "generic"? If we are taliking about "Generic " sounding. It is obvious that every label has thier "own sound" You can't expect a HRG Attack song to sound like a SCP song. I personally don't have a problem with generic, because a song from a certain label HAS to sound like it is from that label. Every label at one time or another has created a song that has similiar elements as thier previous works.

"Brand identity"...

There is probably the "listener's perspective," and the "producer's perspective" here. The listener will often say they don't want one song to sound like the next one.

But from the point of view of creating the music, there isn't too much that's truly new, and really, it is necessary to copy stuff that makes for a "hit". What's important is the listener believes they are hearing something unique, and that the production gets refined in small ways. Sometimes stuff that's called "generic" is just not refined enough, there isn't the energy and the effort that makes for a great track.

Or "generic" and "all songs sounds the same" are a convenient way to write off music that you simply don't like for other reasons.

That goes for all music. Coldplay sounds like Coldplay, Britney Spears sounds like Brittney spears etc...

Britney Spears sounded like Britney Spears until she moved onto those damn Rn'B producers!!

(And as for artists' individual sounds, I once thought "You Drive Me Crazy" was an N'Sync song, so this "problem" can exist outside of Eurobeat!)

[Jion]

No matter what, whenever an artist gets a really good thing going on (see Nuage, Van T.K., almost any HRG artist, Phil, Queen 26) you're gonna expect that style from that person. Whenever someone doesn't do that, the fans get upset and question the move. It happened when Van T.K. started doing his Euro-House phase where he's mostly doing disco theme songs. Those used to his Rockin' Dome style were seriously dissapointed whereas other newer fans started really digging the style. Nuage is now known for the popdisco/dance queen she is rather than the Baby Get My Fire Tonite or Sunday style she did. I guarrantee you if someone were to make a song in the vein of those songs for Nuage, almost every review would call it a refreshing move for Nuage. We're just used to the disco style from Nuage that deviating from it even a lil makes it totally new again. While I agree sometimes the same path for an artist makes for a great ride, sometimes deviating every so often makes things fresh and new (see Go 2 when they did Music Come On! or Christine when she did Yeah!). When I get upset is when producers never experiment (which is why I'm upset with HRG so often in their songs or was with Time till about mid 150's). If things remain the same, there is no growth and you can never find the next best thing.

[drnrg]

8)You have a really decent point and stated a very good example with GOTO. fans were starting to label thier songs as "generic" sounding, but they try something new with "Music Come On" and fans crap all over it. On the other hand as seperate artists, Ace and Dusty release "Moon Child" and "It's My Life" and they are huge hits!
I think the labels try thier best to break out of a vicious "Generic" cycle, but not everyone can be pleased. Plus most of thier songs are backtrax from the catalougue as Mr. Gabrielli and Mr. Festari allready commented.
As for Saifam Slamming on female vocalists. I personally like all thier songs. To me they have different sounds and melodys and correct me , If I'm wrong, but "Chilly Boy" from Lolly 'O sounds like a totally different female artist.
As for new sound. It seems to be the "Disco" flavour of the moment. Slower bpms, calmer melodies, and relaxing vocals. It works very well and is keeping things fresh
DELTA =Kevin Johson, Queen 26,Eurofunk
TIME= Phil, sometimes Kassanova
AKYR= Stephy Martini,
ABeatC= 70' Queens Feat. Annalise & Virginelle and Nuage
SCP= not Disco, but more Transy(I still cannot accept) Pamsy,Christine,Duets
HRG= Rick Castle is the calmest they can get
Saifam= Funny how at one time, they were slower Italo and now are the fastest in BPMs. They DO NOT need CHANGE!

[MarkIventi]

In my opinion new times are ahead for A.Beat-C now that Annerley has returned. She's the ONLY female vocalist who still sounds good when she's singing all screamy, plus the only one without an accent. Also her lyrics are always really cool and I hope she's getting more involved in that from now on. Go A.Beat-C!

[the_ditz]

SCP= not Disco, but more Trancy(I still cannot accept) Pamsy,Christine,Duets

Hate to say it again, but SCP's "slow burners" as I like to call them ("So Fragile", "2love, 4love", "Switch!", "Walkin' In The Shadow" to a certain extent...) are my favourite Eurobeat tracks. Perhaps it is because they blend Eurodance elements into the production while still retaining that unique Eurobeat sound, but first and foremost they are just great songs with excellent melodies and hooks.

I really wish people would stop calling songs like that "Trance" - Trance is dull, lifeless and repetitive (think an inane DJ playing the same three chords over and over again for about 9 minutes, and you have trance...) The SCP songs listed above are a lot closer to the pure Eurodance tracks of the 90s, minus the male rapper - artists like Alexia, La Cube, MC Sar & The Real McCoy, Ice MC, Corona... - all great, simple melodies with big beats and powerful hooks.

[Sadie]

In my opinion new times are ahead for A.Beat-C now that Annerley has returned. She's the ONLY female vocalist who still sounds good when she's singing all screamy, plus the only one without an accent. Also her lyrics are always really cool and I hope she's getting more involved in that from now on. Go A.Beat-C!

I must agree; Annerley Gordon and Karen J. Wainwright are the only female [A-Beat C] vocalists, with very few excpetions, I consistently like. New songs by Annerley Gordon are very welcome in my opinion.

I really wish people would stop calling songs like that "Trance" - Trance is dull, lifeless and repetitive (think an inane DJ playing the same three chords over and over again for about 9 minutes, and you have trance...)

haha!!!! XD You took the words right out of my mouth! I couldn't agree more.

[UQ100]

I really wish people would stop calling songs like that "Trance" - Trance is dull, lifeless and repetitive (think an inane DJ playing the same three chords over and over again for about 9 minutes, and you have trance...)

They incorporate elements of trance. They're more songs than the three-chord and little melody trance stuff though.

[UQ100]

I must agree; Annerley Gordon and Karen J. Wainwright are the only female [A-Beat C] vocalists, with very few excpetions, I consistently like. New songs by Annerley Gordon are very welcome in my opinion.

Karen Wainwright is my favourite A-Beat C vocalist.

[MarkIventi]

Errr... excuse me? Trance is dull, lifeless and three-chorded?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but how would you feel if people would say the above about Eurobeat? Clearly you haven't heard any real trance because trance is complex, melodic, full of life and certainly more than three chorded. I'm a trance producer myself (with a couple of releases out) so I should know, and also I love Eurobeat and Trance because they have so much in common.

If you want to alter your opinion or at least make it credible, check out Robert Nickson (www.robertnickson.com), Thomas Bronzwaer (www.thomasbronzwaer.com) or Galen Behr (www.galenbehr.com) for example. BEAUTIFUL music!! I wish people would stop thinking trance is the commercial Milk Inc shit you hear on the radio. That's DANCE. Trance isn't even aired on commercial radio

Back to Eurobeat now!

[Mikaeru]

Yeah, I'm not even a trance fan, and I can tell it's been seriously dilluted, at least what's on the radio. Can we also blame Robert Miles!? XD

I'm still hoping Avex puts this on @music too. Only a few days left!

[UQ100]

I've heard plenty of trance over the years, for example, Deysfer - "831":

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/cli ... 0VN001003/

Or York - "The Awakening":

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/cli ... 0VN001022/

The sound is interesting, but I don't generally qualify this stuff as great songs.

(Mind you, it's a blast to drive around at 100mph listening to this stuff...)

[UQ100]

Yeah, I'm not even a trance fan, and I can tell it's been seriously dilluted, at least what's on the radio. Can we also blame Robert Miles!? XD

Robert Miles = dream dance?

As for the radio...

http://www.kiss100.com/nav?page=kiss.dj ... _dj=863035