Fanime Eurobeat Concert 2008--Idea and Legality Issues

zoupzuop2 · Post by **zoupzuop2** » 22 Sep 2007, 21:16

(I'm posting this to two boards--one, the current boards for Fanime Con; the other, Eurobeat Prime, where Eurobeat fans (and even Eurobeat producers!) meet and greet about the 'beat. As such, this is sort of generically prepared...)

I'm considering joining the Band lineup at Fanime as a sort of Eurobeat cover band with a few original tunes (see HERE and HERE for examples of how the pros have pulled it off... I might do something more towards the former). The basic layout would be me (vocalist/keytarist), one guitarist, maybe a bass player, and (more likely) a female backup vocalist that may have some songs of her own, along with some willing paralists (Parapara dancers, for the uninitiated). The background tracks would be played and sung over by the on-stage musicians, meaning the guitar and vocal tracks (and, in some cases, the synth lines) would be muted or cut out. Some songs might have changed (raised/lowered) keys; others might be just as-is. (No band names yet)

Current setlist ideas:
*Deja Vu -- Dave Rodgers (ABeatC)
*Ganguro -- Franz Tornado and the Yamnaba Girls (Hi-NRG Attack)
*Baby Make Up Your Mind -- Wain L (ABeatC)
*India In The Sunrise -- Odyssey (That's me~!)
*Running In the 90's -- Max Coveri (Delta)
*Suck A Bazooka -- Franz Tornado & the Suck A Bazooka Girls (Hi-NRG Attack)
*Forever Young -- SYMBOL (Time)
*<One> -- Odyssey
We'd have more prepared in the event of requests and/or encores.

Questioning:
*Is there any way to do this gig as a "non-profit", meaning that this band gets no money for performing the covers (and therefore wouldn't be infringing any copyrights)?
*Would AVEX (the owners of Super Eurobeat) pee their pants after having an aneurysm over this or not?

I'm a bit worried that AVEX, who's been generous enough to send m.o.v.e over here stateside, would see this as a HUGE form of copyright infringement, and, in BEST-case, only sue the musician(s) involved (mostly involving me); in WORST-case, sue Fanime as a whole! Would anyone know the legal ramifications of this sort of thing? Should I try to get this to work? Abandon it altogether? Try to reach a compromise, or otherwise just have AVEX send those artists stateside altogether?

Mikaeru · Post by **Mikaeru** » 23 Sep 2007, 00:02

You should bring this up with the organizers of the convention. If you're performing this publicly, non-profit or not, you need to have the performance rights. These (I believe) actually go to the songwriters (through collection agencies like ASCAP and BMI (USA), SOCAN (Can), JASRAC (Japan), SIAE (Italy) and so on), so if it's covers, *Avex* might not be able to say much (unless they own the performance rights as well).

Essentially, you *can* get in legal trouble from this, although it's most likely going to fall on Fanime and/or the host location to have obtained the rights. And this has happened recently with the performance collection agencies going after coffeeshops that hosted live bands, that played cover songs that have been assigned to that particular agency, where the coffeeshops did not have the proper rights. Although, odds are the establishment the convention is at already has an agreement with BMI and/or ASCAP, unless someone's really screwed up somewhere.

http://musicians.about.com/od/glossary/g/prr.htm

(I've rewritten this so many times to be as accurate as I can. I'm not a legal expert, nor do I have much experience in this field, but this is what I've picked up on, so hopefully someone can correct me, and add more)

zoupzuop2 · Post by **zoupzuop2** » 23 Sep 2007, 01:25

Thank you for the info, Mikaeru. Actually, what's odd is, IIRC, Dave Rodgers is actually registered with ASCAP.

Please, more info! The more I learn about this, the better!

oresama-chan · Post by **oresama-chan** » 23 Sep 2007, 03:29

JASRAC manages the copyright including performance rights.
So when using the songs, we have to get their permission
at least in Japan.

I don't know if this goes also for overseas ppl, though.

http://www.jasrac.or.jp/ejhp/index.htm

drnrg · Post by **drnrg** » 23 Sep 2007, 04:04

Great idea, But I would get everyones permission that is needed. It would really be unfortunate to be sued by the people whose music you adore. Back when I used to Deejay in the 90's. I would include a set of TIME,ASIA,FLEA,etc.., but that was different because those records were meant for dee jaying. You never know with all these loopholes

Good luck.

zoupzuop2 · Post by **zoupzuop2** » 23 Sep 2007, 04:06

Duly noted.

BTW, here's Dave Rodger's results at the ASCAP search:

Dave Rodgers Search

Jion · Post by **Jion** » 23 Sep 2007, 04:40

Interestingly you find new songs by some titles there

Powerful T. - Black Hole Sunrise
Powerful T. - Give Me Passion
Neo - Go Go Wonder
Annalise - True Colour
Annalise - Little Desire
Meri feat. Annalise - Listen To Me Baby
Dave Rodgers - The Race Is The Game
Pink Star - Sweet Fire
Pink Star - I Wanna Be Your Love
Brian Ice - Stars Are Falling
Mel Rose - Mine
Norma Sheffield - Love Can Be Your Game
Lolita - Kiss Day
Mega NRG Man - Keep On Burning
Nuage - Japanese True Love
Nuage - Goodmorning Sun
King & Queen - Come On Up
Nick Key - I'll Burn You Out
Mary Jane - High Day (I love this title if not just for the fact that theres a 420 reference in Eurobeat... lol.. I don't smoke but it's still funny)

Also I dunno if anyone noticed but on the ASCAP site it says it's Red Code not Core for the DR & Stef Burns song. It does sound more like Red Code than Core for the song but I dunno.

Mikaeru · Post by **Mikaeru** » 23 Sep 2007, 04:50

Contini and LED are also tied into ASCAP (although ASCAP's site lists Contini as SIAE). HRG's cds are registered to SIAE, but on their site, they mention winning a JASRAC award.

Actually, searching on that site is interesting. Newfield's on there, Accatino (oddly enough not Rimonti), Castagna, Somenzi, F. Contini, all SIAE.

Looks like SCP uses Contini for publishing. (though I remember hearing that before)

And clicking on the songs gives the song information, including the artist... And you can click on the artist to see what else they've done... Including some unreleased tracks... Is this how that list on Mozzini's blog got made, cause I'm recognizing a lot of titles here.

Densetsu13 · Post by **Densetsu13** » 23 Sep 2007, 04:54

Jion wrote: Also I dunno if anyone noticed but on the ASCAP site it says it's Red Code not Core for the DR & Stef Burns song. It does sound more like Red Code than Core for the song but I dunno.

Sorry to be off topic but I agree with this comment 100%!

Jion · Post by **Jion** » 23 Sep 2007, 05:00

I also noticed that The VIP Is JP is listed here as by Dave Rodgers feat. Kiko Loureiro. Interesting

cheeseman · Post by **cheeseman** » 23 Sep 2007, 07:56

Holy cow!
So many unreleased SCP songs...

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 23 Sep 2007, 08:08

Jion wrote:Interestingly you find new songs by some titles there

[Blah]

As I told you in a previous thread a while ago, those tracks aren't necessarily "new" or foreign to us considering there was an entire thread devoted to these unreleased tracks about six months ago. The SCP list is probably fresh to some, but I knew about it months ago as well from some blog. Anyway, the thread is being derailed enough.

Good luck with the Fanime stuff, whatever manages to come out of it.

And to that zuop person or some moderator: do you mind shortening the link in that post that's stretching the page?

drnrg · Post by **drnrg** » 23 Sep 2007, 09:31

as far as SCP goes, I really love Fastway. I saw a few unreleased songs with the heading FR Trick Or Treat. Could that mean they will be relesed in TIME for October.

Also why are all his D.J Zorro songs have latin Titles? Does he sing in Spanish. I hardly see Spanish and Tecno music mixing well

So why doesn't Jay Lehr in the search bar? He is SCP, isn't he?

Post by **SuperEuroJimmy** » 23 Sep 2007, 11:47

Yes, DJ Zorro sings in Spanish. And so does Dave Rodgers with his La Cima act. In the beginning it was pretty cool, but it's overused nowadays. >_<'

Jion · Post by **Jion** » 23 Sep 2007, 12:26

drnrg wrote:as far as SCP goes, I really love Fastway. I saw a few unreleased songs with the heading FR Trick Or Treat. Could that mean they will be relesed in TIME for October.

Also why are all his D.J Zorro songs have latin Titles? Does he sing in Spanish. I hardly see Spanish and Tecno music mixing well

So why doesn't Jay Lehr in the search bar? He is SCP, isn't he?

Fastway is also the name of a band. Trick Or Treat is one of the songs by that band. As for Jay Lehr he is SCP but a lot of the songs released or still to be released still aren't up on there for not only SCP but also A-Beat C. Same thing with Delta.

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