Evolution of electronic music.

jp75 · Post by **jp75** » 08 Feb 2006, 22:25

For people interested to know more about the evolution of electronic music including eurobeat

,check out this guide!

http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html

Pol NRG · Post by **Pol NRG** » 08 Feb 2006, 22:45

Thanks for the link but the webmaster of this site is wrong. There's not a direct connection between ITALO - Hi NRG and EUROBEAT

On the contrary, there's a strange connection between EURODANCE and EUROBEAT

ciao,
Pol

Nine · Post by **Nine** » 09 Feb 2006, 03:36

What an interesting look on the evolution of Electronic music... but this website lacks any credibility due to many disrespectful, and immature comments made by the webmaster in his summaries. I think that if I were to make a website showing the revolution of electronic music, I would try to present it in a more, respectful, non-childish manner.

ie.
Under J-Pop:
"Is anyone even surprised that this kind of stuff would come from Japan? That whole country is like Bizarro world."

Under Eurobeat:
"It's role is to be the background music for funny fitness competitions on TV..."

Under Happy:
"I bet they play this kind of stuff to calm lunatics at insane asylums locked in padded rooms with pink walls."

etc...

Vadim · Post by **Vadim** » 09 Feb 2006, 03:52

Pol NRG wrote:Thanks for the link but the webmaster of this site is wrong. There's not a direct connection between ITALO - Hi NRG and EUROBEAT On the contrary, there's a strange connection between EURODANCE and EUROBEAT

ciao,
Pol

You have the right of it,Pol. That guy's * tree o' dance* is counter-evolutionary. Probably the easiest way to classify stuff is to connect all
styles like extinct british-american hi nrg,+briefly ressurected by S.I.B. in 2005 german eurodisco,+extinct italian italo,and still living hi nrg eurobeat,
into one hi nrg family/genre. Eurodance is a part of techno genre,not of hi nrg. Euro energy is a cross between hi nrg and techno,as it's name impies, but it belongs to techno.All too often contemporary eurobeat for Japan gets out of hi nrg genre borders and crosses into that style, or into it's excessive relatives like bubble gum and happy hardcore.
Naturally,I hate it when producers for Avex do that. They should be a bit more patriotic about their nation's italo-hi nrg heritage and not dillute it with exsessive techno commercialism. If you want to do techno,go ahead and knock yourself out, but don't make a legendary italian hi nrg a bizzarre techno hybridized surrogate for a real thing.

jp75 · Post by **jp75** » 09 Feb 2006, 13:53

Ok since i'm not a music expert i'm not really aware if the connections are right or wrong. I would like to make a question for the expert here. Is there any connection betweent the italo disco and the synthpop(mainstream 80s music)?

Pol NRG · Post by **Pol NRG** » 09 Feb 2006, 15:22

Hi JP75,

As far I know the term Italo Disco comes from 1983 when Bernard Mikulski owner of ZYX Records (Germany) published their first double album of the serie "Best of Italo Disco". I think they invented the combined term "Italo" with "Disco

In the 80's there's some clear music mouvements connected directly to Italo Disco:

German Dance (Mike Mareen, Fancy, Modern Talking, etc...)
Sabadell Sound or Spanish Disco and also some Greece Pop bands such as Costas Charitodiplomenos.

Late in the 80's the natural evolution of Italo Disco derives to Hi-NRG (italian) just an increment of BPMs (speed). 1988-89 artist such as Robert Camero, Sophie, Rose, Mela, Jenny Kee, Virgin, etc... etc... are considered Hi-NRG Italian (Post Italodisco, Pre Eurobeat). Early in the 90s the BPMs still increasing and born in a natural way the Eurobeat.

This is the most clear example that Eurobeat comes from Italodisco, the evolution of an artist:

SOPHIE - BROKEN TALE (Italodisco) - 1986
SOPHIE - SAME (Italodisco) - 1987
SOPHIE - MY WORLD (Hi-NRG Italian) - 1989
SOPHIE - SOFT TIME (Hi-NRG Italian) - 1989
SOPHIE - TELL ME WHY (Eurobeat) - 1990
SOPHIE - TREAT ME RIGHT (Eurobeat) - 1992
SOPHIE - STOP THE MUSIC (Eurobeat) - 1992

etc... etc... etc...

By the way, Neil Francis Tennant (Pet Shop Boys) admited in an interview that his music is very.. very.. influenced by Italodisco because he like it a lot of

I think that a lot of synthpop 80s bands was influenced by Italodisco but anothers not

I hope it helps you...

ciao!
Pol

jp75 · Post by **jp75** » 09 Feb 2006, 15:42

Thanks alot Pol NRG!

Pol NRG · Post by **Pol NRG** » 09 Feb 2006, 15:57

You are welcome!

jp75 · Post by **jp75** » 09 Feb 2006, 18:59

Yeah, I remember reading the article about Neil Francis Tennant at Euroflash.

Cosmic_Bard · Post by **Cosmic_Bard** » 09 Feb 2006, 22:26

Ishkur's Guide is one of my personal bibles, that's for sure. I refer to it several times a week.

The individual who created the chart, Ishkur (http://www.ishkur.com) is a big fan of Italo-Disco and has an appreciation for Eurobeat too, which I'd say is at least a little uncommon for someone so intertwined into the western rave scene. If you read his little blurb in the Italo section, you'll see what I mean.

Ishkur's something of a bitter individual, however. He pretty much fits the stereotype of the 'Jaded Raver' to a 'T'. He, like a lot of other people in his same situation, are upset over the death of Trance and Hardcore... plus the commercialization of the rave scene and the everpresent problem of DJ worship.

While it's true that his Eurodance chart is a little sketchy and that there's probably a line somewhere that more directly links Eurobeat to Italo, it's still, point for point, a pretty accurate example with many cool samples to listen to... though, the JPop entry is virtually littered with Eurobeat...

If you want my advice, don't go talking to Ishkur about any gripes with the chart unless you've got pages and pages of facts to back up your arguments to ammend any changes to his guide. He's pretty ruthless... but at the same time, pretty level-headed when he wants to be.

Oh and Vadim? What exactly are you talking about, relating Eurobeat to Techno? o_O Were you referring to Technodance?

Vadim · Post by **Vadim** » 10 Feb 2006, 00:01

="Pol NRG"
German Dance (Mike Mareen, Fancy, Modern Talking, etc...)

German dance is a rather multi-genre definition. German style of hi nrg
is typically reffered to as eurodisco. My biggest fave in this style is C.C.Catch.

Sabadell Sound or Spanish Disco and also some Greece Pop bands such as Costas Charitodiplomenos.

Dutch,croatian,slovenian(the famous Moulin Rouge that sold so well in Japan) and spanish sound sounded like varieties of italo disco,produced
outside of Italy. They have none of distinctiveness that germans had,
and unlike germans who developed a different sound,all those nations rather fully utilized the italian way of arranging/producing tracks.

Late in the 80's the natural evolution of Italo Disco derives to Hi-NRG (italian) just an increment of BPMs (speed).

The difference is a lot more than just bpm change.

1988-89 artist such as Robert Camero, Sophie, Rose, Mela, Jenny Kee, Virgin, etc... etc... are considered Hi-NRG Italian (Post Italodisco, Pre Eurobeat).

Well known That's eurobeat compilation presented eurobeat.
Mela,Jenny Kee,Moltocarina,+contemporaries are actually all eurobeat.
Eurobeat is an italian hi nrg. Hi nrg as a style is rather british
and american creation. Italian sound was too different from those.
So,italo just transited into a eurobeat, with the switch to a japanese
market among italian labels. Germans never understood that Japan is
a vital market, and lost all their eurodisco business by the early 90-s.

This is the most clear example that Eurobeat comes from Italodisco, the evolution of an artist:

SOPHIE - BROKEN TALE (Italodisco) - 1986
SOPHIE - SAME (Italodisco) - 1987
SOPHIE - MY WORLD (Hi-NRG Italian) - 1989
SOPHIE - SOFT TIME (Hi-NRG Italian) - 1989
SOPHIE - TELL ME WHY (Eurobeat) - 1990
SOPHIE - TREAT ME RIGHT (Eurobeat) - 1992
SOPHIE - STOP THE MUSIC (Eurobeat) - 1992

My world to stop the music is eurobeat. Later eurobeat just was
being dilluted with techno elements,which got more pronounced in
93-94. Early eurobeat had a pure hi nrg arrangement, BUT later one
had mixed HI NRG with some new technoish sounds.

By the way, Neil Francis Tennant (Pet Shop Boys) admited in an interview that his music is very.. very.. influenced by Italodisco because he like it a lot of

Some people believe that italians invented the hi nrg sound,others think that it was americans(like Pat Cowley). Pet shop boys had many tracks that featured an american hi nrg style.

Vadim · Post by **Vadim** » 10 Feb 2006, 00:14

Oh and Vadim? What exactly are you talking about, relating Eurobeat to Techno? o_O Were you referring to Technodance?

I am talking about a constant breaking of the borders of one genre and
passing into the other that is ailing contemporary eurobeat.
This dillutes the integrity of music and makes it a chop suey.
You take a bit of pop,
you take a bit of trance,
you take a bit of euro energy,
you get bizarrodance.

drnrg · Post by **drnrg** » 10 Feb 2006, 02:29

hey for you guys who like 80's Italo Disco, there is a sight where can D/L music for your cd's. You need a credit card ,but the section on Italo Disco is huge. Just Type in Italo Disco and preview the songs. If you like them you can download for less than 3 dollars a song. That is a steel, concidering that some of those classics run in the 100's to own the 12's.
Here Is the Web Site:
http://www.allofmp3.com/index.shtml

Densetsu13 · Post by **Densetsu13** » 10 Feb 2006, 02:37

Nine wrote:Under Eurobeat:
"It's role is to be the background music for funny fitness competitions on TV..."

Yeah I never noticed he had said that until my boyfriend pointed out to me that he was probably just very confused as to what para videos were supposed to be

.

Cosmic Bard wrote:Ishkur's something of a bitter individual, however. He pretty much fits the stereotype of the 'Jaded Raver' to a 'T'. He, like a lot of other people in his same situation, are upset over the death of Trance and Hardcore... plus the commercialization of the rave scene and the everpresent problem of DJ worship.

Exactly which is what makes his guide that much more biased. The sad thing is that a LOT of people don't realize that this is just HIS opinion.

God I just hope I don't end up a jaded raver like him once I stop raving =P

Wataru Akiyama · Post by **Wataru Akiyama** » 10 Feb 2006, 19:21

Oh my god.

Oh my GOD.

He labeled "Grand Prix" as Dave Rodgers' work. I'm all set to Go Beat Crazy on this guy for that.

Also, why are the Ayu-ro mixes of Hamasaki's work labeled as J-pop?

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